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re: Wow Rivals
Posted on 3/4/09 at 2:13 pm to AlexLSU
Posted on 3/4/09 at 2:13 pm to AlexLSU
quote:The year that the majority of Saban's star players left we went 9-3 . . . under Saban. Who did we lose in '07 that was a "star player" for Saban?
The year that the majority of Saban's star players left, the wheels fell off.
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Posted on 3/4/09 at 2:21 pm to Nuts4LSU
quote:Why should Meyer not have caught heat for losing 4 games in 2007? He had the best team in the country in 2006, and then dropped to a point where people are excusing losses to subpar teams because the underdog "played with emotion." That was the same team that lost to Appalachian State AT HOME. So how does that performance translate as beyond reproach, and deserving of no criticism, while finishing just one game worse and not losing to any teams that lost to Appalachian State translates as deserving of bashing?
Meyer did not catch heat for 2007 while Miles did for 2008, and rightfully so in both cases.
Didn't you mean to say, Meyer deserved to catch less heat than Miles?
And, also, did Meyer not make any mistakes in his other 3+ loss season with the Gators? How many seasons of mistakes does he have to have before he "deserves criticism"?
Posted on 3/4/09 at 2:29 pm to Nuts4LSU
quote:I see. So if Urban Meyer loses his DC and the replacement sucks, leading them to a 6-6 season, then the 2006 and 2008 National Championships will suddenly have been won by a "bad coach"?
He had a good DC because he chose one. Coaching.
How does one decision define the level of coaching for an entire career? The premise of this assessment is that everything he had done up until the 2008 season is completely erased and no longer has any bearing on measuring his ability to coach. Thus, the assessment of his coaching ability is to be based on the performance of a single season, one which turned largely on a single decision (the DC hires). How is it that this seems logical or rational to you?
Posted on 3/4/09 at 2:34 pm to AlexLSU
quote:But they lost to ULM. And if they had the talent to beat them, then they quit on their coach. Which, according to the bashers here, proves that their coach was a bad coach. And yet, somehow, the same people bashing Miles for the inexcusable crime of having a team "quit" on him still sing the outrageous praises of the coach who had his team quit on him far more than any LSU team has quit since DiNardo left.
Bama's talent was garbage that year, not in relation to ULM, but in relation to comparing them to LSU.
Posted on 3/4/09 at 5:19 pm to AlexLSU
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Thats just dumb. Do us all a favor and STFU.
Do me a favor by catching AIDS and dying. Thanks. I'll go after you.
Eat a bowl of dicks, Alex. You are the biggest douchebag on this board.
Posted on 3/4/09 at 5:30 pm to AlexLSU
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This is HIS mess
LSU's football program is a mess?
Really??
Are you actually serious???
Posted on 3/4/09 at 5:33 pm to CalLSU
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what about LSU losing their starting quarterback before the year began and having to use 2 guys who saw zero to little playing time? And the fact that LSU lost about 17 seniors and they lost almost all of their leadership? I think that is a good reason to have the kind of record we had.
Again, it's the way we lost. Losing competitively like UF did in 07 is acceptable in a "rebuilding" year. Getting your arse handed to you three times and blowing a 16 point lead to a 4 win team isn't acceptable.
Posted on 3/4/09 at 5:34 pm to Cornholio
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Eat a bowl of dicks, Alex.
Big bowl or little bowl?
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You are the biggest douchebag on this board.
Not even if I tried.
Posted on 3/4/09 at 5:37 pm to King Joey
how many 2 loss national titles does Meyer have?
Posted on 3/4/09 at 5:53 pm to Maximus
King Joey is King of Tards. Expect about five different responses just for that question you asked, all of which will be completely a waste of time to read.
Posted on 3/4/09 at 6:08 pm to AlexLSU
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Most people believe Miles won with Saban's talent and his talent alone.
And nine out of ten dentists surveyed think you are a complete and utter dipshit.
Posted on 3/4/09 at 6:10 pm to Lsupimp
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And nine out of ten dentists surveyed think you are a complete and utter dipshit.
You can be defensive all you want. Go talk to your average fan of another school. Go to another message board. Go ask someone not associated with LSU and see what they think. That's the mentality, like it or not.
Posted on 3/4/09 at 6:11 pm to AlexLSU
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Go talk to your average fan of another school. Go to another message board. Go ask someone not associated with LSU and see what they think. That's the mentality, like it or not.
why would I give a rats arse about what the average fan of another school thinks...
Posted on 3/4/09 at 6:14 pm to ForeLSU
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why would I give a rats arse about what the average fan of another school thinks...
You would if you were one of the original posters who was asking WHY people say that. But no, you just pick a random page, read something that is written, and don't take it with the context.
Posted on 3/4/09 at 6:15 pm to AlexLSU
Posted on 3/4/09 at 6:21 pm to Lsupimp
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1989.
Yeah, I remember my first beer...
Seriously, it pains me that people can be so freaking stupid.
Posted on 3/5/09 at 8:06 am to King Joey
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So if Urban Meyer loses his DC and the replacement sucks, leading them to a 6-6 season, then the 2006 and 2008 National Championships will suddenly have been won by a "bad coach"?
Who's a bad coach? Did I say Miles was a bad coach? I said Urban Meyer did a better job coaching in 2007 than Miles did in 2008, thus he caught less heat. Someone made the excuse for Miles that he had bad DCs in 2008 while Meyer didn't in 2007. That's not an excuse, that's a sign that Meyer did a better job.
IF Meyer hires a DC that sucks, then he will have done a poor job of hiring an assistant. Maybe he will, and if so he'll probably catch some heat for it. We know Miles already did, which is why he already caught some.
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How does one decision define the level of coaching for an entire career?
Wow, have some hyperbole, why don't you? Is every criticism of any aspect of anything anyone has ever done automatically an indictment of everything they've ever done?
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The premise of this assessment is that everything he had done up until the 2008 season is completely erased and no longer has any bearing on measuring his ability to coach.
What the hell are you reading? I thought, since you quoted my post, you were responding to me. Apparently, you weren't.
Again, and read carefully, I'm addressing only one issue: the ridiculous comparison of Urban Meyer's 2007 performance to Les Miles' 2008 performance. Meyer's was better. Period. That's it. I didn't say Les Miles was a child molesting axe murderer. I didn't even say we should burn him at the stake. Where you get all these ridiculously exaggerated generalizations from my discussion of that narrow issue is a mystery.
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Thus, the assessment of his coaching ability is to be based on the performance of a single season, one which turned largely on a single decision (the DC hires). How is it that this seems logical or rational to you?
I don't know, ask the straw man that you are arguing with.
This post was edited on 3/5/09 at 8:07 am
Posted on 3/5/09 at 8:22 am to King Joey
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Why should Meyer not have caught heat for losing 4 games in 2007? He had the best team in the country in 2006, and then dropped to a point where people are excusing losses to subpar teams because the underdog "played with emotion." That was the same team that lost to Appalachian State AT HOME
Michigan was not a subpar team. They were playing in the highest tier bowl short of the BCS. They were the second place team in the Big Ten. They were clearly a talented team that had underachieved during the season, which is why their coach was retiring. And yes, they played with a lot of emotion in his final game. Florida probably should have beaten them, but didn't play as well as they should have. Still, a close loss to a good team playing with a lot of emotion doesn't even approach the level of losing to a 4-7 team or getting hammered at home by Ole Miss.
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how does that performance translate as beyond reproach, and deserving of no criticism
I said Meyer's performance was better than Miles', not that it was perfect. I said he didn't deserve to catch heat for 2007 because it wasn't a bad performance. A 9-4 season in which two of the losses were against the final #1 and #2 in the nation and the other two were on a last second field goal and a close one to a good team playing with a lot of emotion isn't bad for a rebuilding year where you have had to replace your entire defense and are trying to find a running back. To his credit, Meyer managed to turn even that difficult situation into a good season with a good record with a top 25 finish and got a Heisman winner.
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did Meyer not make any mistakes in his other 3+ loss season with the Gators?
What the hell does that have to do with anything? It's a comparison of Meyer 2007 and Miles 2008. That's it. It was a stupid comparison that someone made. 2005 or any other year is irrelevant to that issue.
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How many seasons of mistakes does he have to have before he "deserves criticism"?
Well, I would at least think he should have to have a bad season. So far, he hasn't done that. The worst season he's had has been 9 wins, with every loss being competitive and against good opposition, a New Year's Day bowl appearance, and a top 25 finish. 8-5, with multiple non-competitive losses and a loss to a 4-7 team, a minor bowl win and finishing nowhere near the top 25 in the final poll, is a lot worse.
Posted on 3/5/09 at 8:24 am to rtgr
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So if you really believe you make some kind of difference anywhere but your own monitor you need to go lay in a hot tub and slice your wrists on an angle because you and your life are worthless.
Obviously, you lack the intellect to sense the irony in that statement, but it is entertaining, to say the least.
Posted on 3/5/09 at 8:28 am to Nuts4LSU
Why do you keep bumping this Bama/Rivals bullshite?
Everyone knows you don't like Miles, and he doesn't like you either. Stop bumping this crap thread.
Everyone knows you don't like Miles, and he doesn't like you either. Stop bumping this crap thread.
This post was edited on 3/5/09 at 8:36 am
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