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re: Farm group says ag in full blown crisis
Posted on 4/29/25 at 7:26 am to bigjoe1
Posted on 4/29/25 at 7:26 am to bigjoe1
When you set up your ag economy with subsidies and to sell to countries across a 7500 mile ocean, you are kind of setting yourself up for crisis.
Maybe we should focus on growing good food, not trash like soybeans.
Maybe we should focus on growing good food, not trash like soybeans.
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Posted on 4/29/25 at 7:31 am to scottydoesntknow
Soybeans are food for your food. What do you think we feed chickens/cows/hogs?
Posted on 4/29/25 at 7:37 am to scottydoesntknow
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Maybe we should focus on growing good food, not trash like soybeans.
What should be grown in place of beans
Posted on 4/29/25 at 7:47 am to Decisions
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Soybeans are food for your food. What do you think we feed chickens/cows/hogs?
Why is ag in "full blown crisis" then? Maybe if we had more farmers raising cows eating the foods they normally eat(grass), wed have a healthier population.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 8:54 am to scottydoesntknow
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Maybe if we had more farmers raising cows eating the foods they normally eat(grass), wed have a healthier population.
Because it's not remotely feasible. This isn't the wild west where you can runs thousands of head of cattle over millions of acres. There isn't that much grass available to feed a cow out to a market weight where the rancher can be profitable. You need the large scale feedlots to finish livestock to a market weight.
As another poster pointed out, ag exports are an important part of our world trade. We'd devastate rural communities in the midwest with that kind of policy.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 8:57 am to bigjoe1
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scottydoesntknow
Apt username in this thread.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 9:32 am to scottydoesntknow
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Maybe if we had more farmers raising cows eating the foods they normally eat(grass), wed have a healthier population.
Hard to imagine that since most of your average people couldn’t afford to buy meat if it was all raised in such a way. You just think eggs are expensive right now.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 9:33 am to Decisions
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Hard to imagine that since most of your average people couldn’t afford to buy meat
The only people that buy steak are people on food stamps now
Posted on 4/29/25 at 11:09 am to bigjoe1
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Because there is no money in growing just for domestic consumption. Many of you have no idea just how expensive row crop farming is. From the cost of land, inputs, equipment, etc.
Plus, it's just not corn or beans that are exported, We export value added products like soymeal and oil.
Withdrawing into fortress America will be economically devasting to the ag industry.
First, the cost of land is all Bulshite. Most of it is expensive due to hunting or recreation. The farmers don't have to "own" it. But you aren't wrong.
2ndly, again almost everything involved in farming is subsidized to some degree. The fact is you remove all these government subsidies that we spend to make it "profitable" to sell overseas and where does that leave us?
I'm as redneck and middle american as anyone, but at the same time I'm sorry we aren't talking about a lot of people here. We shouldn't be spending insane amounts of money to prop up an unprofitable business to sell internationally.
Support what we need domestically and let the market sort out the rest, imo.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 3:43 pm to scottydoesntknow
quote:he really doesn’t
scottydoesntknow
Posted on 4/29/25 at 3:44 pm to VABuckeye
quote:he doesn’t know how to talk to women either ad evidence by his soycell beta cringe threads in the ot
Apt username in this thread.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 4:28 pm to UltimaParadox
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With HHS cutting its budget by over 1/3rd a lot of that targets tax credits and subsidies which rural hospitals and health care centers rely on as they basically operate in the red without the fed gov.
USAID spent $2B last year buying food from our farmers to ship to poor nations. Needless to say, that program is long gone.
So we're going to take "income" from these tariffs and turn right around and send it to American farmers losing money because of the tariffs? And Americans will pay more in the process?
WTF are we doing here?
Posted on 4/30/25 at 9:21 am to mmmmmbeeer
They could easily start that program back up
Posted on 4/30/25 at 9:27 am to mmmmmbeeer
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WTF are we doing here?
It's a circle jerk of the highest order.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 1:56 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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So we're going to take "income" from these tariffs and turn right around and send it to American farmers losing money because of the tariffs? And Americans will pay more in the process? WTF are we doing here?
The thought was that American farmers were going to be hurt worst by reciprocal tariffs as Trump fought to level the playing field/return industry to America. So yes, some people would be paying more so that some others would regain the lost industrial jobs.
This might come as a shock to you, but always selling out your fellow man on the global market place in return for marginally cheaper products out of the third world results in all but the massive multi-nationals being reduced to peasant status. These are the sacrifices that must be made to rebuild our nation.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 2:01 pm to Decisions
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The thought was that American farmers were going to be hurt worst by reciprocal tariffs as Trump fought to level the playing field/return industry to America. So yes, some people would be paying more so that some others would regain the lost industrial jobs.
This might come as a shock to you, but always selling out your fellow man on the global market place in return for marginally cheaper products out of the third world results in all but the massive multi-nationals being reduced to peasant status. These are the sacrifices that must be made to rebuild our nation.
Specifics, dude.
What industrial jobs are we bringing back? Which industries? Who is going to work there and for what wages? Can we compete with Chinese wages? Are you saying Americans should accept 35%, 45%, 55% inflationary pressures so we can have a fricking steel plant up the road?
In the real world, unlike the political world, facts, numbers, forecasting, and pragmatism matter. This pie-in-the-sky bullshite doesn't fly.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 5:41 am to SEC. 593
If farmers could raise their prices then we wouldn’t have a farm crisis.
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