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re: Nov CPI Beats Estimates
Posted on 12/22/25 at 10:09 am to BCvol
Posted on 12/22/25 at 10:09 am to BCvol
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How many true capitalist countries do we trade with? Do other countries tariff our goods? Are we currently a true capitalist country? Our local and federal governments pick winners and losers all the time, we don't live in a world where everything is black and white.
I believe in the world we live in, where other countries are waging economic, judicial and electronic warfare that tariffs are a tool that can be used effectively within our current version of capitalism.
In your opinion, when we set tariffs, should our goal be:
1. Increasing tariff revenue
2. Increasing domestic production
3. Leveraging for a reduction in their tariffs on US goods
And please, please don't say "all of the above".
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Posted on 12/22/25 at 10:25 am to Joshjrn
leverage
Posted on 12/22/25 at 10:29 am to BCvol
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leverage
I appreciate the direct answer. Follow up question: should we focus solely on tariff rates, or do you agree with Trump that any "trade imbalance" is indicative of unfair trade practices that must be "remedied" in order to avoid being hit with tariffs by the United States?
Posted on 12/22/25 at 10:29 am to Joshjrn
It's never that black and white. Countries with lax environmental standards will almost always eat our lunch in terms of the heavy industry required to keep a military running.
Posted on 12/22/25 at 10:31 am to BCvol
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It's never that black and white. Countries with lax environmental standards will almost always eat our lunch in terms of the heavy industry required to keep a military running.
I'm not sure I follow. Are you saying that we should place tariffs on countries that do not tariff our goods unless/until they strengthen their internal environmental regulations to substantial match ours?
Posted on 12/22/25 at 10:43 am to Joshjrn
I haven't thought about it that much to answer specifically. It is obvious though that countries like India and China have a built-in competitive advantage with lax environmental policies.
Posted on 12/22/25 at 10:46 am to BCvol
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I haven't thought about it that much to answer specifically.
Fair enough
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It is obvious though that countries like India and China have a built-in competitive advantage with lax environmental policies.
Certainly comes with advantages and disadvantages, depending on the point of emphasis and area of commerce. With that said, using tariffs to impose a worldwide environmental agenda seems wildly beyond accepted norms outside of all but the most Progressive circles.
Posted on 12/22/25 at 11:07 am to Joshjrn
advantages for them and disadvantages for us when it comes to competitiveness. If it's important for us to enforce strict environmental standards at home, then it's a little hypocritical to then buy from a pollution machine that shares the same planet.
Posted on 12/22/25 at 12:10 pm to BCvol
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advantages for them and disadvantages for us when it comes to competitiveness.
If your focus is heavy industry, sure. If your focus is more on white collar innovation, being considered a high polluting shithole is a disadvantage. There's a reason we kick China and India's teeth in when it comes to that metric.
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If it's important for us to enforce strict environmental standards at home, then it's a little hypocritical to then buy from a pollution machine that shares the same planet.
I'm not sure if hypocritical is the right word, but I understand where you're coming from.
Do you support the EU and other nordic countries imposing tariffs on the US because we have more lax environmental regulations than they do?
Posted on 12/22/25 at 12:22 pm to Joshjrn
No problem at all, but we must reciprocate. They should do what they feel is best for their citizens and we should do the same.
It is definitely hypocritical to throttle your own industry with environmental regulations and turn around and support companies that are doing what is forbidden for the home-grown companies. You see what's happening to California and their over-the-top regulations and taxes.
It is definitely hypocritical to throttle your own industry with environmental regulations and turn around and support companies that are doing what is forbidden for the home-grown companies. You see what's happening to California and their over-the-top regulations and taxes.
Posted on 12/22/25 at 12:26 pm to BCvol
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No problem at all, but we must reciprocate. They should do what they feel is best for their citizens and we should do the same.
It is definitely hypocritical to throttle your own industry with environmental regulations and turn around and support companies that are doing what is forbidden for the home-grown companies. You see what's happening to California and their over-the-top regulations and taxes.
If you believe we "must reciprocate", then you do have a problem with it.
We place tariffs on China because they are, relative to us, lax on environmental regulations; they increase their tariffs to reciprocate, because they disagree that they should make their environmental regulations more strict; we make our tariffs higher; on and on, forever.
The EU places tariffs on us because we are, relative to them, lax on environmental regulations; we increase tariffs to reciprocate, because we disagree that we should make our environmental regulations more strict; they make their tariffs higher; on and on, forever.
Is that what you're advocating for?
Posted on 12/22/25 at 12:34 pm to Joshjrn
No I don't, as I said they should do what's best for their people and we should do the same. It's a really simple concept, I don't care what they do. I also don't want to leave our industry a competitive disadvantage based on the decisions that their leaders make.
Posted on 12/22/25 at 12:35 pm to BCvol
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No I don't, as I said they should do what's best for their people and we should do the same. It's a really simple concept, I don't care what they do. I also don't want to leave our industry a competitive disadvantage based on the decisions that their leaders make.
But to clarify, if the EU places a tariff on American goods to account for the "advantage" we have due to our "lax environmental regulations", do you believe we should directly respond by increasing our tariffs on them?
Posted on 12/22/25 at 12:36 pm to Joshjrn
Are you advocating being the worlds bitch? It sure seems like it.
Posted on 12/22/25 at 12:43 pm to BCvol
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Are you advocating being the worlds bitch? It sure seems like it.
And we were having such a good conversation up to this point...
What I'm advocating against is a foreign trade policy not only exclusively based on environmental regulations, but to paraphrase the late great George Carlin, one that's further entirely driven by the idea that anyone driving slower than me is an idiot and everyone driving faster than me is a maniac.
Posted on 12/22/25 at 12:55 pm to Joshjrn
Never mentioned anything being exclusively based on environmental regulations. That was just an easy example of how we have put our industry in a competitive disadvantage. There are many others to go along with the environmental part. 
Posted on 12/22/25 at 1:01 pm to BCvol
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Are you advocating being the worlds bitch? It sure seems like it.
We are the richest, most powerful country in the world and many of our allies exist essentially at our pleasure. Wtf are you talking about?
This post was edited on 12/22/25 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 12/22/25 at 1:02 pm to BCvol
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Never mentioned anything being exclusively based on environmental regulations. That was just an easy example of how we have put our industry in a competitive disadvantage. There are many others to go along with the environmental part.
A nation state having environmental regulations that are substantially more lax than ours is sufficient, in and of itself, to justify placing a tariff on that nation state, is it not?
That is how I meant what I said. But yes, I understand that you also believe that we should place tariffs on any country that places tariffs on us
Posted on 12/22/25 at 1:13 pm to JohnnyKilroy
We police the world while many allies shirk their military obligations and we subsidize many of our allies health care. Tell me how that's existing at our pleasure.
Posted on 12/22/25 at 1:13 pm to Joshjrn
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