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re: 1995 Nebraska vs. 2011 Alabama
Posted on 7/17/22 at 1:41 am to Globetrotter747
Posted on 7/17/22 at 1:41 am to Globetrotter747
quote:LMAO Kanasas State had the best D in the nation in 95.
It’s that simple. The 1995 Nebraska team did not have to face the caliber of defense that gave them problems for years.
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Posted on 7/17/22 at 6:33 am to VerlanderBEAST
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LMAO Kanasas State had the best D in the nation in 95.
For stopping Nebraska, you’d take the 1995 KSU defense over the best FSU, Miami, and Oklahoma defenses of the ‘80s and ‘90s?
Please.
Posted on 7/17/22 at 6:48 am to Globetrotter747
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Lost to Miami in ‘91, lost FSU in ‘92, lost FSU in ‘93, and narrowly beat Miami in ‘94 right before the bottom fell out of the program
From 1980-1995 they lost 11 bowl games! The only teams they could beat in a bowl game were SEC teams...especially LSU. Maybe that's why this board wants to glamorize them as some super program. They aren't now and never were when they faced the big boys back then.
This post was edited on 7/17/22 at 6:54 am
Posted on 7/17/22 at 7:10 am to lsupride87
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I mean 2011 Bama lost to 2011 lsu with JJ and Lee with Les as coach
I don’t get the way that people seemingly dismiss that LSU team as not being very good. If the NC game had gone differently, that 2011 LSU team would’ve been one of the best teams in the history of the sport based on schedule and the way that they dominated it. Beating 2011 Bama in Tuscaloosa is a testament to how good that LSU team was.
Posted on 7/17/22 at 7:10 am to GentleJackJones
No comparison
Posted on 7/17/22 at 8:50 am to Arkansasrazorback
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Beating 2011 Bama in Tuscaloosa is a testament to how good that LSU team was.
Way more challenging regular season game than any ‘95 Nebraska faced.
Posted on 7/17/22 at 10:48 am to Globetrotter747
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The ‘93 team had to play prime FSU in the Orange Bowl.
and lost by 2 while only giving up 18 points to a team that early on in the season was being called the GOAT... Frazier as a sophomore managed to get them in scoring position despite getting the ball back with under 20 seconds left in the game.. not to mention a blown call was what gave FSU the lead. Nebraska lost only due to their shitty kicker. Frazier was the 1st of 3 straight national championship MVPs
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narrowly beat Miami in ‘94
but won... in the Orange Bowl... in Frazier's first game back after 8 weeks out with blood clots... 2nd of 3 straight NCG MVPs
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The ‘94 team faced a Colorado team that was better than anything the ‘95 team beat in the regular.
and won with their backup QB... Frazier obliterated them in 95
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They also got their asses shutout by Arizona State and lost to a mediocre Texas team in the Big XII championship in ‘96. The ‘97 team needed a miracle catch to send the game in OT against Missouri.
after Frazier and Berringer and Phillips had graduated... totally different team
Posted on 7/17/22 at 10:51 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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The only teams they could beat in a bowl game were SEC teams
Which is why Osborne changed his recruiting philosophy. Began to recruit speed after repeated losses to Miami and FSU. Went 60-3 over 5 years back when they only played 12 games a year... but yeah, they weren't any good
Posted on 7/17/22 at 12:41 pm to moontigr
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and lost by 2 while only giving up 18 points to a team that early on in the season was being called the GOAT...
Funny you should say that. ‘95 Nebraska never received any GOAT talk prior to the Fiesta Bowl because they always beat the shite out of the awful Big 8. They didn’t even become the #1 team until the late in the year in spite of being the defending national champions.
The GOAT talk started after the epic arse whipping against a Florida team completely unprepared for their offensive scheme and physicality.
Put a vintage FSU, Miami, or Oklahoma defense out there (with their All-American caliber DL and LB’s - Casillas, Bosworth, Dante Jones, Jerome Brown, Russell Maryland, Cortez Kennedy, Michael Barrow, Warren Sapp, Ray Lewis, Derrick Brooks, among others) and DC’s who had prepared for Nebraska multiple times and the 62 pt. shitshow doesn’t happen and people aren’t saying, “OMG, ‘95 Nebraska would have won the Super Bowl if they’d been in the NFL!”
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but won... in the Orange Bowl... in Frazier's first game back after 8 weeks out with blood clots... 2nd of 3 straight NCG MVPs
Did they score 62 points and win by 38 points? No, they scored 24 points and won by 7 points. And they easily could have lost to a Miami team great on D but lacking the Steve Walsh and Michael Irvin types on offense from previous years.
Lots of teams have gone undefeated in college football, and I’m not necessarily saying ‘95 Nebraska isn’t the GOAT. I am saying that…
1. They did not play a great regular season opponent. They didn’t. They simply didn’t. Kansas, Kansas State, and Colorado were not the Switzer Oklahoma teams that bullied Nebraska for years. It was a big plus for Nebraska in the ‘90s that they no longer had to face that dragon. They would have been a lot more successful in the ‘70s and 80s if Oklahoma had been as terrible then as they were in the ‘90s.
2. 1995 Florida was a great team but unlike Nebraska’s previous bowl foes they were not as well suited to defending their offensive style.
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after Frazier and Berringer and Phillips had graduated... totally different team
Not really. Nebraska returned many key defensive players in 1996 and got burned by the ASU and Texas offenses. Tomich, Wistrom, Jason Peter, Mike Minter, and others were all out there - and yet 8-5 Texas amassed over 500 yards of total offense against them.
The 1996 team played a better regular season opponent than the 1995 team (and played them on the road) and had to play a conference championship.
1995 Nebraska had it easy. 2019 LSU’s best opponents (Alabama and Clemson) each probably had more first round draft picks than 1995 Nebraska and its entire schedule combined.
Posted on 7/17/22 at 12:49 pm to GentleJackJones
LSU defense was injured during ole miss. They were healthy come sec championship and beyond. We won 3 more games than Nebraska and beat 7 top 10 teams.
Posted on 7/17/22 at 12:50 pm to Globetrotter747
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1995 Nebraska had it easy. 2019 LSU’s best opponents (Alabama and Clemson) each probably had more first round draft picks than 1995 Nebraska and its entire schedule combined.
Posted on 7/17/22 at 12:55 pm to moontigr
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Which is why Osborne changed his recruiting philosophy.
Yea, he leaned into recruiting illiterate prop 48 players that beat women. Osborne was a piece of shite.
Posted on 7/17/22 at 1:16 pm to Globetrotter747
quote:they played the beat defense 1995 had to offer
For stopping Nebraska, you’d take the 1995 KSU defense over the best FSU, Miami, and Oklahoma defenses of the ‘80s and ‘90s?
Posted on 7/17/22 at 1:43 pm to GentleJackJones
This thread has gone just about exactly as expected
In the other 19 LSU vs 95 Nebraska, the Huskers were dogged relentlessly. Couldn’t keep up, would get tired, not athletic etc.
In this thread, 95 Nebraska is unquestionably the GOAT, athletic, fast, too strong, unstoppable.
11 Bama probably stands a better chance to beat them than 19 LSU because that 11 squad would actually get a stop or two. 19 LSU would just be absolutely skull drug on defense, they wouldn’t stop 95 Nebraska one single time with that arse defense.
In the other 19 LSU vs 95 Nebraska, the Huskers were dogged relentlessly. Couldn’t keep up, would get tired, not athletic etc.
In this thread, 95 Nebraska is unquestionably the GOAT, athletic, fast, too strong, unstoppable.
11 Bama probably stands a better chance to beat them than 19 LSU because that 11 squad would actually get a stop or two. 19 LSU would just be absolutely skull drug on defense, they wouldn’t stop 95 Nebraska one single time with that arse defense.
Posted on 7/17/22 at 1:44 pm to Globetrotter747
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Not really
Yes, really. Frazier & Co. scored 77 against ASU in '95... the next season, with Frost at QB, they were shut out. Totally different team.
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No, they scored 24 points and won by 7 points
Bro, do you realize how hard it is to come back after 8 weeks out, play a team in their home stadium in a championship game, and win, against a team with 4 defensive first-round picks? You mentioned Sapp and Lewis -- both were starters on that 94 team. Nebraska straight-up wore them out.
Say you want about the Florida team they played in the Fiesta, but that team was very good, good enough to win it all the following year. Florida was ranked #1 for a reason.
Regardless, had Frazier gained a medical redshirt and played in 96, they would've gone undefeated again.
Posted on 7/17/22 at 1:56 pm to Frac the world
I actually created this thread because, largely, there are three teams that are talked about as GOAT: 1995 Nebraska, 2001 Miami, and 2019 LSU. I simply just do not agree with Nebraska. Were they great for their time and era? Sure. However, I think that 2019 LSU could name the score. I truly believe that we'd score on every offensive possession.
Nonetheless, while 2011 Alabama isn't offered as a GOAT, I started this thread to offer that I think they'd destroy 1995 Nebraska, as I think many other teams would, fwiw. See my quote in the other thread, below.
Nonetheless, while 2011 Alabama isn't offered as a GOAT, I started this thread to offer that I think they'd destroy 1995 Nebraska, as I think many other teams would, fwiw. See my quote in the other thread, below.
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Where did I imply that they would be shutout? I said 28-35. That's at least a touchdown per quarter.
Now, going against 2011 Alabama is different. As much as it pains me to say, they may be shutout then.
This post was edited on 7/17/22 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 7/17/22 at 1:59 pm to Frac the world
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11 Bama probably stands a better chance to beat them than 19 LSU because that 11 squad would actually get a stop or two. 19 LSU would just be absolutely skull drug on defense, they wouldn’t stop 95 Nebraska one single time with that arse defense.
The 2011 Alabama offense was so, so shitty...it neutralizes it. If Nebraska could get a field goal, I say they win. 3-0.
Posted on 7/17/22 at 2:11 pm to Frac the world
quote:I mean, 2019 LSU > 2011 Alabama, unquestionably.
In the other 19 LSU vs 95 Nebraska, the Huskers were dogged relentlessly. Couldn’t keep up, would get tired, not athletic etc.
In this thread, 95 Nebraska is unquestionably the GOAT, athletic, fast, too strong, unstoppable.
quote:Do you remember how limited 2011 Alabama was on offense?
11 Bama probably stands a better chance to beat them than 19 LSU because that 11 squad would actually get a stop or two. 19 LSU would just be absolutely skull drug on defense, they wouldn’t stop 95 Nebraska one single time with that arse defense.
2011 Alabama wouldn’t be able to keep him with 1995 Nebraska.
All in all, 1995 Nebraska is the GOAT. They beat 2011 Alabama, 2020 Alabama, 2019 LSU, 2011 LSU, 2004 Auburn, 2004 USC, 2005 Texas, 2010 Auburn, 2001 Miami, etc
Posted on 7/17/22 at 6:19 pm to moontigr
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Which is why Osborne changed his recruiting philosophy. Began to recruit speed after repeated losses to Miami and FSU. Went 60-3 over 5 years back when they only played 12 games a year... but yeah, they weren't any good
During most of Osborne's tenure they were the most overrated program in the nation...ALWAYS finishing in the Top 5 in the nation...despite ALWAYS losing their bowl games.
Bowl Games before his 1995 team.
1980 lost to Houston
1981 beat Mississippi State
1982 lost to Clemson
1983 beat LSU
1984 lost to Miami
1985 beat LSU
1986 lost to Michigan
1987 beat LSU
1988 lost to FSU
1989 lost to Miami
1990 lost to Florida State
1991 lost to Georgia Tech
1992 lost to Miami
1993 lost to FSU
1994 lost to FSU
If it wasn't for LSU, Osborne would have the worst bowl record in history. He is still below .500, with a 12-13 record. The most overrated coach and program in modern times.
The only postseason Top 10 teams he could beat were SEC teams back when the SEC was slow as shite.
This post was edited on 7/17/22 at 6:23 pm
Posted on 7/17/22 at 6:53 pm to moontigr
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Yes, really. Frazier & Co. scored 77 against ASU in '95... the next season, with Frost at QB, they were shut out. Totally different team.
ASU was a much improved team in 1996. They went from 6-5 to 11-1 and were within three points of the national title. They had an NFL QB in Jake Plummer, Keith Poole, Pat Tillman, Derrick Rodgers, Juan Roque. They were better than anyone Nebraska played in the 1995 regular season, especially on that night.
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Say you want about the Florida team they played in the Fiesta, but that team was very good, good enough to win it all the following year.
They were a great team, but they were a bad matchup for Nebraska due to their soft front and lack of familiarity with that style of offense.
And sometimes it’s just not your night and you get your arse kicked. The following year Florida beat FSU by 30+ in the Sugar Bowl after losing to them in the regular season finale.
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