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re: 1995 Nebraska vs. 2011 Alabama
Posted on 7/16/22 at 11:49 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Posted on 7/16/22 at 11:49 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:
Whipping Florida was no big feat.
well then, there should be a healthy list of games they lost by 5+ TDs in that era?
in reality every other loss they had from ‘94-‘97 seasons was by a combined total of 39 points.
Nebraska beat them by 38.
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Posted on 7/16/22 at 11:50 am to bamameister
quote:
And didn't LSU and Jefferson come out running the option?
ok I’ll admit it.
2011 LSU with Jordan Jefferson at QB was not quite on the same level as ‘95 Nebraska with Tommie Frazier.
Posted on 7/16/22 at 11:54 am to bamameister
quote:Let’s really diagnose this.
Is that the same BAMA defense LSU had 92 total yards on in the NC game? And didn't LSU and Jefferson come out running the option?
You’re comparing ‘95 Nebraska to ‘11 LSU in terms of running the triple option. How many games did LSU do that all season, versus how many games did Nebraska do that? What happened when Alabama faced a team, Georgia Southern, that had that as a base offense? They gave up 300 rushing yards.
Let’s compare quarterbacks. You really think Jordan Jefferson compared to Tommy Frazier? You don’t have to answer. Really, don’t.
What about running back? Ahman Green was better than anyone LSU fielded in 2011. You know that, I know that, LSU fans know that.
Now let’s compare offensive coaching. You know what, let’s not. We know LSU didn’t have good offensive coaching.
Also, Alabama lost in 2011. Nebraska throttled everyone.
‘95 Nebraska >>> ‘11 Alabama
Posted on 7/16/22 at 11:54 am to Nutriaitch
quote:That guy really thought he had something with that statement. He really did.
2011 LSU with Jordan Jefferson at QB was not quite on the same level as ‘95 Nebraska with Tommie Frazier.
Posted on 7/16/22 at 11:56 am to bamameister
quote:
I'm comparing the talent that LSU put on the field in New Orleans to anything Nebraska has ever seen, much less ever had
the talent you specifically mentioned was JORDAN JEFFERSON.
there is not a single human being that has ever watched even a small clip of football that would take Jordan Jefferson over Tommie Frazier.
and the includes the entire Jefferson family that are all huge supporters of LSU.
Posted on 7/16/22 at 12:09 pm to Nutriaitch
quote:
there is not a single human being that has ever watched even a small clip of football that would take Jordan Jefferson over Tommie Frazier.
This is stupid. Put Tommie Frazier in almost every other offensive system and he’s not the god people proclaim him to be. Not even close. Of course nobody would take Jefferson over Frazier because all the context we have is the eras and systems they played in.
Nebraska also doesn’t have a soul on defense that’s sticking Odell Beckham. They aren’t even attempting a pass against the LSU secondary and they aren’t running the ball against maybe the best DL in LSU history.
The nostalgia nerds in this thread. A 275lb guard isn’t moving Michael Brockers
Posted on 7/16/22 at 12:21 pm to Nutriaitch
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we went 0-8 against Bama from 2012-2018
so 2019 must have likewise sucked?
My point was the Nebraska offense struggled against the strong defensive teams of Miami, Oklahoma, and Florida State in the ‘80s and ‘90s. Those great fronts and defenses coordinated by coaches familiar with the Nebraska style shut them down.
Winning in football is not always about how good you are. It’s a lot about how good everyone else is. Osborne’s earlier teams had to deal with prime Oklahoma in the regular season and prime FSU/Miami in the bowl game. 1995 Nebraska dealt with Kansas in the regular season and Spurrier in the bowl game before he realized he needed to start giving a shite about defense and hired Bob Stoops.
Posted on 7/16/22 at 12:25 pm to DBG
quote:No, this is stupid. Why do we want to put him in other systems when he dominated in the one he was in?
Put Tommie Frazier in almost every other offensive system and he’s not the god people proclaim him to be
Would you want to move Nick Marshall from his role with Auburn in 2013-2014 to a Texas Tech Air Raid offense?
No.
Posted on 7/16/22 at 12:26 pm to DBG
quote:
This is stupid. Put Tommie Frazier in almost every other offensive system and he’s not the god people proclaim him to be. Not even close.
i posted that in response to a guy that touted LSU running the option with Jefferson as proof that Bama could stop the option.
if you had to list all-time great option QBs, then Frazier is at or very near the top spot.
where is Jefferson on that list?
obviously i wouldn’t take Frazier to run an offense like we ran in 2019.
just like Tom Brady wouldn’t be my first choice to run an option attack.
but when talking option football to option football, comparing 2011 LSU to ‘95 Nebraska is absolutely laughable.
Posted on 7/16/22 at 12:29 pm to bamameister
quote:WTF do star rankings have to do with anything? That team had about a dozen guys who played 100+ games in the NFL(Minter, Wistom, Dishman, Green, Treu, Rucker, Booker, Williams, Warfield etc) and none of them were the best players on the team.
You are only fooling yourself if you think today's athlete wouldn't moonwalk on that 3-star Nebraska team.
Their best players didn't make it in the NFL because:
Tommie Frazier (option QB)
Lawrence Phillips (psychopath)
Peter brothers (cocaine addicts)
Posted on 7/16/22 at 12:30 pm to Globetrotter747
quote:
1995 Nebraska dealt with Kansas in the regular season and Spurrier in the bowl game before he realized he needed to start giving a shite about defense and hired Bob Stoops.
he got Spurrier during Spurrier’s only undefeated regular season of his career.
and one of only 2 National title games he participated in.
Posted on 7/16/22 at 12:31 pm to VerlanderBEAST
quote:
Tommie Frazier (option QB)
health reasons (blood clots) is why he wasn’t even drafted.
Posted on 7/16/22 at 12:36 pm to TTsTowel
quote:and Green wasnt even Nebraska's best RB. Lawrence Phillips was so dominant that he got drafted 6th overall in spite of being a raging psychopath
What about running back? Ahman Green was better than anyone LSU fielded in 2011. You know that, I know that, LSU fans know that.
Posted on 7/16/22 at 12:38 pm to GentleJackJones
2011 LSU vs 1995 Nebraska would be fascinating. We had experience with the option since we ran it some. Plus the Badger was a downright game breaking disrupter.
I don’t know how much we could score though - it would definitely be a defensive slugfest. Definitely have to start Lee - maybe a team from that era would have trouble with so many elite receivers.
I don’t know how much we could score though - it would definitely be a defensive slugfest. Definitely have to start Lee - maybe a team from that era would have trouble with so many elite receivers.
This post was edited on 7/16/22 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 7/16/22 at 12:40 pm to VerlanderBEAST
quote:That’s why I didn’t even mention him. Their second best option would’ve started.
and Green wasnt even Nebraska's best RB. Lawrence Phillips was so dominant that he got drafted 6th overall in spite of being a raging psychopath
Posted on 7/16/22 at 12:50 pm to VerlanderBEAST
It’s not about star rankings, it’s about modern sports science.
A very good team from 2011 is beating the best team from 1995. An average team from 2022 is beating the best team in 1995.
A very good team from 2011 is beating the best team from 1995. An average team from 2022 is beating the best team in 1995.
Posted on 7/16/22 at 12:52 pm to ForeverEllisHugh
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Definitely have to start Lee - maybe a team from that era would have trouble with so many elite receivers.
i just found the entire Fiesta Bowl on youtube.
man some of these names in Florida are bringing back some memories.
in ‘95 Florida was at almost their peak Fun n Gun era of Spurrier’s prime.
3rd and short they going empty backfield with 4 wide.
Ike Hilliard played a while in the league
Reidel Anthony had a couple year in NFL
Jacquez Green too
but the main thing i’m seeing (and said in the other thread) is the grabbing and mugging of guys during almost entire route that’s not allowed now.
can Nebraska do that, or will they be forced to play “hands off” like required by today’s standards?
that would make a HUGE difference in how the game would play out.
Posted on 7/16/22 at 12:54 pm to ForeverEllisHugh
quote:fascinating when Nebraska had the ball. But Nebraska would probably score on defense and have great field position the whole game so they probably win by 3 TDs
2011 LSU vs 1995 Nebraska would be fascinating. We had experience with the option since we ran it some. Plus the Badger was a downright game breaking disrupter
This post was edited on 7/16/22 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 7/16/22 at 12:55 pm to DBG
quote:
An average team from 2022 is beating the best team in 1995.
ok, i’ll bite on that bait.
2021 LSU finished 6-6.
7th out of 14 teams in the SEC.
that by definition is about as “average” as they come.
do you seriously think they would beat 1995 Nebraska?
Posted on 7/16/22 at 12:55 pm to DBG
quote:
A very good team from 2011 is beating the best team from 1995. An average team from 2022 is beating the best team in 1995.
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