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re: Antoine Winfield
Posted on 10/6/09 at 3:48 pm to PortCityTiger24
Posted on 10/6/09 at 3:48 pm to PortCityTiger24
quote:
Samari Rolle? He isn't a top 20 corner anymore.
Last year when he was healthy he was. But I didn't realize he just had nexk surgery again, so yeah he definetly isn't up there now.
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Posted on 10/6/09 at 3:49 pm to KosmoCramer
Like IGAF whether this sheep laden board respects me or not. 
Posted on 10/6/09 at 3:49 pm to ATLTiger
quote:
is Champ still elite? or does everyone share Romo's opinion of him?
He's still a top 8-10 corner, but I think there are at least 5 better than him.
Posted on 10/6/09 at 3:50 pm to SprintFun
I met him when I used to box at some gym (LOL SHADOWBOXING LOL). Very nice guy.
Posted on 10/6/09 at 3:51 pm to 1ranter1
quote:
Last year when he was healthy he was.
well if Tony Pisano says so, then he had to have been
Posted on 10/6/09 at 3:52 pm to Ghazi
i used to love osu as much as notre dame until i went to school there.
worst move i could have ever made to be a lifelong buckeye fan.
worst move i could have ever made to be a lifelong buckeye fan.
Posted on 10/6/09 at 3:53 pm to PortCityTiger24
LOL, Samari Rolle.
And, someone really thinks Webster is a top 5 CB?
My top 5, in no particular order
a) Revis
b) Asomgua
c) Champ Bailey
d) Al Harris
e) Winfield
I guess you could put Webster at 6. But, then there is Charles Woodson as well. Plus Nate Clements, who is VERY good. (helped shut down Saints passing attack)
edit: i meant MCGEE, not Clements, who shut down the saints passing attack lol. My bad
Winfield is awesome though.
And, someone really thinks Webster is a top 5 CB?
My top 5, in no particular order
a) Revis
b) Asomgua
c) Champ Bailey
d) Al Harris
e) Winfield
I guess you could put Webster at 6. But, then there is Charles Woodson as well. Plus Nate Clements, who is VERY good. (helped shut down Saints passing attack)
edit: i meant MCGEE, not Clements, who shut down the saints passing attack lol. My bad
Winfield is awesome though.
This post was edited on 10/6/09 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 10/6/09 at 3:54 pm to jefforize
terence mcgee and nate clements are up there
Posted on 10/6/09 at 3:54 pm to PortCityTiger24
quote:
I think there are at least 5 better than him.
I think if he can stay healthy he is a top 5 corner. A healthy Champ is a big reason Denver's D is so much better.
His play to end the game against Dallas was amazing. Basically went against every rule for a CB and gave Hurd the quick slant in the endzone, knowing he could still get a hand on the ball.
Posted on 10/6/09 at 3:55 pm to PortCityTiger24
quote:
He's still a top 8-10 corner, but I think there are at least 5 better than him.
Who?
Asomgua
Revis
harris/woodson
Clements?
Winfield?
Personally i'd rank Champ right under Revis and Asomgua. dude is still pretty elite IMO.
Posted on 10/6/09 at 3:56 pm to jefforize
quote:
And, someone really thinks Webster is a top 5 CB?
Are you serious? Do you have any clue how good he is?
quote:
Plus Nate Clements
Guess you like big contracts and giving up a lot of big plays?
And you have Harris in front of Woodson? Wow.
Posted on 10/6/09 at 3:56 pm to 1ranter1
You're going off some guys stats that he complied watching every NFL game last year. Every one, really?
Just sayin.
Just sayin.
Posted on 10/6/09 at 3:58 pm to KosmoCramer
There are other places to find those stats, it isn't just his.
Posted on 10/6/09 at 3:59 pm to KosmoCramer
Not to hate on Webster, ive followed his career closely and yes he has been a key cog in the giants Super Bowl caliber defence.
I think calling him a top 5 CB is a BIT premature. I'd like to be proven wrong though.
I think calling him a top 5 CB is a BIT premature. I'd like to be proven wrong though.
Posted on 10/6/09 at 3:59 pm to 1ranter1
I've never heard of "forced incompletion %" before.
Posted on 10/6/09 at 4:00 pm to SprintFun
Those stats are very arbitrary fwiw.
Posted on 10/6/09 at 4:00 pm to jefforize
Asomgua
Revis
Winfield
Clements
McGee
i guess i wouldn't say they are better, but just as good imo. i would take the top 4 over champ and would consider taking mcgee over him at this point in their careers.
Revis
Winfield
Clements
McGee
i guess i wouldn't say they are better, but just as good imo. i would take the top 4 over champ and would consider taking mcgee over him at this point in their careers.
Posted on 10/6/09 at 4:00 pm to jefforize
He allowed 1 TD last season
Clements Allowed 7
He also had the lowest YPA against him and forced the highest incompletion % of any CB.
Is that enough?
Clements Allowed 7
He also had the lowest YPA against him and forced the highest incompletion % of any CB.
Is that enough?
Posted on 10/6/09 at 4:01 pm to SprintFun
ambiguous stat, but i have never heard of it either
Posted on 10/6/09 at 4:02 pm to PortCityTiger24
I know Dumervil/playing OAK and CLE have helped cause this stat, but only allowing 26 pts through 4 games is remarkable. Thus i'd still peg C-Bailey as an elite corner if he is the #1 CB on this unit.
I think we all can agree though that Revis and Asomgua is a toss up 1-2, then there are probally 6-8 different CBS who can claim #3-#5
I think we all can agree though that Revis and Asomgua is a toss up 1-2, then there are probally 6-8 different CBS who can claim #3-#5
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