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re: Does today prove conclusively that G5 have no business ever making the CFB playoff again
Posted on 12/20/25 at 9:04 pm to Pikes Peak Tiger
Posted on 12/20/25 at 9:04 pm to Pikes Peak Tiger
Did you say that about sec teams last year when Tenn got embarrassed?
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Posted on 12/20/25 at 9:04 pm to Pikes Peak Tiger
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expand the P4 to have 16 teams each
Expand?
SEC 16
ACC 17
B12 16
B1G 18
Not even accounting for Notre Dame.
Posted on 12/20/25 at 9:05 pm to Dadren
I’m not sure what the argument here is…give playoff spots away for charity to lesser teams so they can get their faces beat in?
Let the G5 still qualify for the big CFP if and only if it has a team ranked in the top 12. But we can also have a separate playoff for the G5.
Let the G5 still qualify for the big CFP if and only if it has a team ranked in the top 12. But we can also have a separate playoff for the G5.
Posted on 12/20/25 at 9:05 pm to Pikes Peak Tiger
No, because college football is stupid. If the price is right, any school can buy good players
Posted on 12/20/25 at 9:11 pm to Dr Rosenrosen
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Let the G5 still qualify for the big CFP if and only if it has a team ranked in the top 12.
That’s exactly what I said in my first posts, with the added criteria that they have to win their conference.
Posted on 12/20/25 at 9:11 pm to mdomingue
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But it may make sense to create a G5 playoff and a separate P$ playoff.
What's stopping them? Why haven't they already done this? The playoff is a media driven entity. The NCAA has nothing to do with it. All they need is a network and some shitty bowl games to make it work.
My guess is it won't sell and the athletic departments can't afford the costs because if it was viable we would already have the GIT.
This post was edited on 12/20/25 at 9:12 pm
Posted on 12/20/25 at 9:16 pm to Dadren
Right. We're on the same page. Neither Tulane nor JMU would have qualified for the CFP this year under our criteria.
Posted on 12/20/25 at 9:39 pm to H-Town Tiger
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What it proves is the super conference is fricking stupid, if you left the conferences alone the top 5 conference winners would be Indiana UGA Oregon 1 of TTU/A&M/OU and probably Tulane since thenACC is a shite show
If you really left them alone other than promoting a few good mid majors, you'd have Indiana (B1G), UGA (SEC), Oregon (PAC), TT (SWC), Oklahoma (Big Eight), Miami (Big East), with the ACC left out because Duke is 7-5 and Tulane out because they have two losses and are outside the top 12.
Posted on 12/20/25 at 9:55 pm to Dr Rosenrosen
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JMU and Tulane are better teams than we are seeing today. They are both playing top 10 teams on the road in late December after playing 13 games. It's an impossible situation.
"These teams deserve to be in the playoff, but it's not fair to make them actually play playoff games."
Got it.
Posted on 12/20/25 at 10:07 pm to Kinderman
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like those old Utah, Boise, and UCF teams
Today’s rules (or lack thereof) will prevent those types of G5 teams from ever accumulating enough talent to seriously compete
Posted on 12/20/25 at 10:18 pm to OvertheDwayneBowe
"These teams deserve to be in the playoff, but it's not fair to make them actually play playoff games."
Got it.
JMU and Tulane would not have made the CFP this year under my criteria
Got it.
JMU and Tulane would not have made the CFP this year under my criteria
Posted on 12/20/25 at 10:36 pm to Pikes Peak Tiger
Just make it if you’re ranked in the Top 12 they get in, no autobids. If not, they go to the G5 tournament.
But even then, the past years of a UCF, Boise State, etc going 12-0 and actually hanging with a top 10 team is probably gone. NIL and losing their talent every year to P4 has ruined that. Any coaches worth a shot are coaching P4 the next year and probably taking their 2-star they developed into a 4-star with them.
People (Reddit, X) act like rest of FBS owes the G5 something and they should expand to 16 or 24 so every single 9 conf champions make it. This isn’t a league, parity is a pipe dream, and all conferences aren’t created equal. Eventually, money will win out because I bet some Turner Broadcasting executives are not happy right about now.
The only people actually against seeing Ole Miss-ND and BYU-Oregon instead of the slop we got are G5 fans and ignorants who actually think that JMU getting steamrolled in a game they had no prayer of winning is somehow “fair” because they “deserved” it.
If anything, this year has proven we need LESS teams not more. I’m sure we’ll get more though and eventually a 4-loss champion that rested star players in a week 13 rivalry game and would have been Outback Bowl champs at best in 2013.
But even then, the past years of a UCF, Boise State, etc going 12-0 and actually hanging with a top 10 team is probably gone. NIL and losing their talent every year to P4 has ruined that. Any coaches worth a shot are coaching P4 the next year and probably taking their 2-star they developed into a 4-star with them.
People (Reddit, X) act like rest of FBS owes the G5 something and they should expand to 16 or 24 so every single 9 conf champions make it. This isn’t a league, parity is a pipe dream, and all conferences aren’t created equal. Eventually, money will win out because I bet some Turner Broadcasting executives are not happy right about now.
The only people actually against seeing Ole Miss-ND and BYU-Oregon instead of the slop we got are G5 fans and ignorants who actually think that JMU getting steamrolled in a game they had no prayer of winning is somehow “fair” because they “deserved” it.
If anything, this year has proven we need LESS teams not more. I’m sure we’ll get more though and eventually a 4-loss champion that rested star players in a week 13 rivalry game and would have been Outback Bowl champs at best in 2013.
Posted on 12/21/25 at 5:38 am to armytiger96
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What's stopping them? Why haven't they already done this?
Fear of alienating the fan bases of the G5 teams is my guess. A lot of them have some delusions of being "just as good" as P4 teams.
Posted on 12/21/25 at 6:22 am to Pikes Peak Tiger
No, but the current format is trash.
Mid to late 2000s Boise State should’ve definitely been in at least a couple 12 team playoffs.
Mid to late 2000s Boise State should’ve definitely been in at least a couple 12 team playoffs.
Posted on 12/21/25 at 9:18 am to mdomingue
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Fear of alienating the fan bases of the G5 teams is my guess. A lot of them have some delusions of being "just as good" as P4 teams.
They don't have fan bases. Most of the top 15 attendance for G5 schools ranges between 30,000 and 20,000 per game. Most G5 games ob ESPN U avgs 50K viewers per game. They get a decent bump on weekday games to around 500K but that because they are the only game that day.
Most G5 fans that are college football fans also align with a Power 4 school. The reason why they haven't created a G5 playoff is because it wouldn't make money and it would likely bankrupt the athletic departments.
Posted on 12/21/25 at 9:46 am to Pikes Peak Tiger
First round average MOV 2025: 16.25
First round average MOV 2024: 19.25
14 of the 30 CFP games in the 4 team era were decided by 20 or more points. Stop blaming the G5 schools.
First round average MOV 2024: 19.25
14 of the 30 CFP games in the 4 team era were decided by 20 or more points. Stop blaming the G5 schools.
Posted on 12/21/25 at 10:20 am to armytiger96
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They don't have fan bases.
They do, and there are a lot of G5 schools. None are that large, but there is a core group that is there.
But the bigger revenue producers, if they have not already, will end up in a P4 conference as they continue grow.
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Most G5 fans that are college football fans also align with a Power 4 school.
That is true, I do think that eventually the tide will turn and we will see something different than we do now, I am just not quite sure what it will look like.
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The reason why they haven't created a G5 playoff is because it wouldn't make money and it would likely bankrupt the athletic departments.
It would have to look like the FCS and lower division championships do. Perhaps the vehicle toward this separation would involve some profit sharing from the power conferences. It's hard to see where this will all eventually go.
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