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re: How is it possible to ban a shift In baseball
Posted on 3/7/22 at 2:16 pm to SammyTiger
Posted on 3/7/22 at 2:16 pm to SammyTiger
implementing change that reduces strategy is fricking stupid
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Posted on 3/7/22 at 2:22 pm to WestCoastAg
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implementing change that reduces strategy is fricking stupid
“Strategy” is why casual fans get turned off by baseball.
Change or die.
The chess game of pinch-hitting and swapping relief pitchers is fun.
Watching someone actually hit the ball is more Fun.
That’s why they are going universal DH.
There is plenty of strategy on defense
Already when it comes To pitch selection.
Watching guys get out because they can’t hit opposite field isn’t fun.
This post was edited on 3/7/22 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 3/7/22 at 2:27 pm to kjntgr
This just proves that analytics in baseball is all about money and has very little to do with the game itself.
Posted on 3/7/22 at 2:32 pm to SammyTiger
Braxton tends to learn how to switch hit and watch some Derek Jeter, Ichiro, or Pete Rose at-bats.
The beautifully honed swing from 5000 hours in the batting cage that only works when the ball finds the swing plane is making the game boring.
The beautifully honed swing from 5000 hours in the batting cage that only works when the ball finds the swing plane is making the game boring.
Posted on 3/7/22 at 2:33 pm to SammyTiger
quote:until they start limiting where you can and cant put your players
There is plenty of strategy on defense
Posted on 3/7/22 at 2:47 pm to WestCoastAg
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until they start limiting where you can and cant put your players
If theh all had to stand in in circles before the pitch you’d still have the pitch selection, bullpen matchups, intentional walks.
And I doubt They will limit them that much. Just remove extremes.
“If you can’t hit opposite field”
If you can’t catch a fly ball without 5 guys in the outfield you don’t deserve an out.
It’s boring baseball.
Posted on 3/7/22 at 3:47 pm to WestCoastAg
It’s all about franchises reducing their cost. They want to keep this assembly line type player in the league but the league is failing so instead of going back to real baseball they’ll continue to implement rules that allow them to keep the current model going. This is why the sport is dying and has lost its appeal.
Posted on 3/7/22 at 7:06 pm to SammyTiger
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It’s boring baseball.
Yeah, but the solution should be on the hitters, not on a rule limiting the defense from doing something that has been going on for 100+ years.
Posted on 3/7/22 at 8:39 pm to sms151t
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Because they pitch you to hit into the shift.
Absolutely wrong. Amazing how little some of you know.
Posted on 3/7/22 at 8:41 pm to BigPerm30
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why more guys just don’t push a bunt down the third base line is mind boggling.
Well, because a power hitting guy like Joey Gallo that hasn't bunted in 15 years isn't going to break out and bunt against guys throwing 95 MPH with movement. It isn't that easy.
Posted on 3/7/22 at 9:12 pm to FulshearTiger
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Well, because a power hitting guy like Joey Gallo that hasn't bunted in 15 years isn't going to break out and bunt against guys throwing 95 MPH with movement. It isn't that easy.
While this is true, I think a few more important things are being overlooked by the “just go the other way” guys.
So I Lay down a bunt. Ok cool, I’m on first. Now what? Now I need the next guy to do it too. This isn’t a chance of HR vs chance of safe bunt. It’s 2-3 successful ABs and then I get the same outcome as a HR. And It’s not like there’s a runner on 3rd and all the infielders are in RF. It’s THAT % vs what hitters are doing now. So let’s say I have Rizzo, Gallo, Judge coming up. What’s the chances of “bunt, bunt, hit” vs “swing away, swing away, swing away”? At the end of the day, putting a 1 on the board is what matters. The shift limits the options hitters have to do it. Most hitters aren’t trying to go over the shift because their contracts say they have to hit 50HRs. They’re doing it cause there’s a better chance of putting a 1 on the board doing that EVEN IF THEY WERE REALLY GOOD BUNTERS.
Somebody even said it earlier, paraphrasing “Joey Gallo would be better off with 30 HRs & dropping bunts than with 40 HRs”. Not if he’s sitting on 1B with 2 outs and another lefty coming up.
This isn’t mlb hating the shift. This is mlb hating what the hitters have figured out is the best alternative to beating it. “True outcome” is killing the game. Only thing they’d hate more is if Rizzo Gallo & Judge DO figure out how to bunt for singles lol
This post was edited on 3/7/22 at 9:20 pm
Posted on 3/7/22 at 9:19 pm to Schmelly
Part of it would be bunting for hits in order to reduce future shifts. Obviously time and a place, right? These guys like Gallo are also valued for getting on base via walk, working on bunting increases those valuable OBP/OPS stats.
Posted on 3/7/22 at 9:22 pm to LSUBoo
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Part of it would be bunting for hits in order to reduce future shifts. Obviously time and a place, right? These guys like Gallo are also valued for getting on base via walk, working on bunting increases those valuable OBP/OPS stats.
Oh yeah, it’s definitely situational. Rizzo is a great example. He’ll drop a bunt down third in a blink if you give it to him. But he might not take it if there’s 2 outs and bases empty in a 1 run game
ETA: especially if this is 2 years ago and you got Javy “True Outcome” Baez on deck
This post was edited on 3/7/22 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 3/7/22 at 9:29 pm to LSUBoo
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These guys like Gallo are also valued for getting on base via walk, working on bunting increases those valuable OBP/OPS stats.
I’d like to see the # of HRs hit vs shift, vs runs scored by batters who walked with no one on base. And then with 0,1,2 outs. Something like that. That’s apples to apples. I think lol. Idk, just sayin there’s more to it. Might be that you’re asking Gallo to get really good at dropping bunts for only those times that he’s up with nobody on & less than 2 out. Is it worth it? I have no clue
This post was edited on 3/7/22 at 9:33 pm
Posted on 3/7/22 at 9:33 pm to Schmelly
There's a lot more to it. Base runners (even if they aren't SB threats) can make life harder for pitchers and defense.
Plus, they make it harder to shift against the next guys up.
I think most analytics place a high value on OBP.
Plus, they make it harder to shift against the next guys up.
I think most analytics place a high value on OBP.
Posted on 3/7/22 at 9:38 pm to LSUBoo
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There's a lot more to it. Base runners (even if they aren't SB threats) can make life harder for pitchers and defense. Plus, they make it harder to shift against the next guys up. I think most analytics place a high value on OBP.
Agreed. I think you’re thinking in “overalls” and I’m in “specifics”, I.E. runners on, where at?, number of outs, who’s on deck, etc. But we’re speaking the same language lol
This post was edited on 3/7/22 at 9:39 pm
Posted on 3/7/22 at 9:45 pm to kjntgr
Banning the shift is almost as terrible as universal DH. MLB leadership dumbing down the game.
Posted on 3/7/22 at 9:45 pm to LSUBoo
And now I’m looking at Joey Gallo’s advanced metrics at 9:45pm.
Posted on 3/7/22 at 9:49 pm to STLDawg
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Banning the shift is almost as terrible as universal DH. MLB leadership dumbing down the game.
I’m not a fan of banning it. But if you’re tasked with improving the “true outcome” problem, how you solving it? You don’t have to ban it. But the problem is still there. Basically, how do you increase doubles and triples is the task. That’s what makes baseball exciting. No idea if this is right, but I’m guessing they’re down as of late
This post was edited on 3/7/22 at 9:52 pm
Posted on 3/7/22 at 9:57 pm to Madking
quote:you're just figuring this out now????
This just proves that analytics in baseball is all about money and has very little to do with the game itself.
Billy Beane hasn't won a World Series
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