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re: I rest my case, Buffalo got screwed
Posted on 1/18/26 at 10:27 am to Upperdecker
Posted on 1/18/26 at 10:27 am to Upperdecker
quote:Then what I am saying is correct
He doesn’t have NFL “possession” at that point. He has to complete the catch
A WR can have the ball secured in his hands while falling to the ground with no defender near. The defender can jump on the WR while he is on the ground and rip the ball out for the int if he does it fast enough
That’s correct?
This post was edited on 1/18/26 at 10:28 am
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Posted on 1/18/26 at 10:27 am to TigerChief94
It was a pick yesterday according to the rules. You can try and spin it and complain all you want, but it was the right call.
Posted on 1/18/26 at 10:27 am to Upperdecker
Also just a general point, nobody who likes good football should believe that’s a catch. If it’s a catch, Cooks needs to either get away from the defender before he goes to the ground, or he needs to hold possession instead of giving it up or getting it pulled away on the ground
Posted on 1/18/26 at 10:27 am to LSUJuicer
quote:This. This shouldn't be controversial at all. Let's say no defender was there, the receiver hit the ground and then the ball came out on the same timeline. We would OBVIOUSLY know he hadn't survived the ground. Now, put the defender in - the fact that he came up with the ball PROVES the receiver didn't survive the ground.
How did he survive the ground? That ball was in his hands less than a second before getting loose. He caught it in the air so there was never a football move.
“ A catch isn't fully complete until the player is stable on the ground (or has completed their football act) while still controlling the ball. If the ground causes the loss of control, the catch fails.”
He was never stable on the ground, he was rolling around when the ball was stripped. Not sure how this is so heavily debated? They call incomplete passes for players who hold onto the ball longer than this play.
Posted on 1/18/26 at 10:29 am to Big Scrub TX
quote:But the ball only comes out because it’s ripped out by a defender
This. This shouldn't be controversial at all. Let's say no defender was there, the receiver hit the ground and then the ball came out on the same timeline
He survived the ground. He didn’t survive the defender ripping the ball after hitting the ground with bis back
Posted on 1/18/26 at 10:30 am to QJenk
quote:We know what someone holding a football looks like.
But Cooks literally didn't have possession of the ball on the ground for a single second.
We know when someone is down.
How can we not rule someone in possession and down? These rules are ridiculous and at this point, used to rig games. Why else would we still be going through this? Drama?
Any reason to keep the rules the same are just bad at this point.
Posted on 1/18/26 at 10:31 am to lsupride87
Doesn't matter if it was ripped out, punched out, ground knocks it out, or the he loses control on his own-its all the same. If any of that happens, the WR loses possession and its not a catch.
Posted on 1/18/26 at 10:32 am to Funky Tide 8
Ok so does everyone know the exact time needed to “survive the ground”?
Posted on 1/18/26 at 10:33 am to Big Scrub TX
quote:Ok so defenders should never allow ball carriers to be stable on the ground.
A catch isn't fully complete until the player is stable on the ground
Everyone start spearing center mass and arms when a ball carrier goes to the ground. Don’t let him come to rest or be stable.
Or we could just see a guy holding a ball and his back/shoulders/elbow/knee touching the ground and call him down.
Posted on 1/18/26 at 10:33 am to ReauxlTide222
quote:Yep. It allows for completely inconsistent officiating and the potential for a team like bills to have two similar plays to happen in back to back playoffs and the refs call the complete opposite both times
We know what someone holding a football looks like. We know when someone is down. How can we not rule someone in possession and down? These rules are ridiculous and at this point, used to rig games. Why else would we still be going through this? Drama? Any reason to keep the rules the same are just bad at this point.
Posted on 1/18/26 at 10:35 am to ReauxlTide222
quote:Thats my entire point here. The interpretation from yesterday means it should be legal to just jump straight into a WR on the ground because apparently the catch isn’t done yet if he was falling
Everyone start spearing center mass and arms when a ball carrier goes to the ground.
This post was edited on 1/18/26 at 10:36 am
Posted on 1/18/26 at 10:36 am to ReauxlTide222
quote:
Ok so defenders should never allow ball carriers to be stable on the ground.
Everyone start spearing center mass and arms when a ball carrier goes to the ground. Don’t let him come to rest or be stable.
Or we could just see a guy holding a ball and his back/shoulders/elbow/knee touching the ground and call him down.
what? Posted on 1/18/26 at 10:39 am to Funky Tide 8
If you see a WR falling to the ground as he is making a catch shouldn’t you wait til he hits the ground to nail him? Seems like that’s an easier way to create force to jar the ball loose
Posted on 1/18/26 at 10:43 am to Funky Tide 8
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Doesn't matter if it was ripped out, punched out, ground knocks it out, or the he loses control on his own-its all the same. If any of that happens, the WR loses possession and its not a catch.
But it does matter. If he’s on the ground with possession and touched by a defender it’s down by contact. We never got to see if Cooks would have lost the ball from the ground because the defender ripped it out before it had the chance. You can’t just assume Cooks would lose the ball through the ground.
In your interpretation, if a WR is on the ground how long does a defender have to rip it out? If a receiver falls to the ground and is sliding along the ground with a ball, can a defender slide in and rip it out then?
This post was edited on 1/18/26 at 10:44 am
Posted on 1/18/26 at 10:44 am to Eighteen
quote:I want to hear this from people that agree with the call
In your interpretation, if a WR is on the ground how long does a defender have to rip it out? If a receiver falls to the ground and is sliding along the ground with a ball, can a defender slide in and rip it out then?
Posted on 1/18/26 at 10:48 am to lsupride87
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A WR can have the ball secured in his hands while falling to the ground with no defender near. The defender can jump on the WR while he is on the ground and rip the ball out for the int if he does it fast enough
If a receiver can have the ball ripped from him in less than .5 seconds. It doesn't sound like he had very good possession to me.
Posted on 1/18/26 at 10:48 am to lsupride87
It was a Cooks catch. NFL refs aren’t consistent. Bills are absolutely cursed.
Posted on 1/18/26 at 10:48 am to lsupride87
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If tweet fails to load, click here. That’s my biggest thing. I have never ever ever seen this called the way it was last night. Ever
Posted on 1/18/26 at 10:48 am to lsupride87
quote:Nah. You and I both know the definition of "surviving the ground" did not magically become "he survived the ground the nanosecond he touched it" on this play.
But the ball only comes out because it’s ripped out by a defender
He survived the ground. He didn’t survive the defender ripping the ball after hitting the ground with bis back
And since there was a defender there, surviving the ground becomes that much harder.
Posted on 1/18/26 at 10:49 am to lsupride87
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