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re: I rest my case, Buffalo got screwed
Posted on 1/18/26 at 10:49 am to Funky Tide 8
Posted on 1/18/26 at 10:49 am to Funky Tide 8
quote:Correct. The catch did not survive the ground - in part because there was a zealous defender there to help make it so.
Doesn't matter if it was ripped out, punched out, ground knocks it out, or the he loses control on his own-its all the same. If any of that happens, the WR loses possession and its not a catch.
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Posted on 1/18/26 at 10:50 am to ReauxlTide222
quote:I said "survived the ground". And yes, the defender should absolutely do what he can be doing to make sure that doesn't happen. Which the defender in this instance successfully did.
Ok so defenders should never allow ball carriers to be stable on the ground.
Everyone start spearing center mass and arms when a ball carrier goes to the ground. Don’t let him come to rest or be stable.
Or we could just see a guy holding a ball and his back/shoulders/elbow/knee touching the ground and call him down.
Posted on 1/18/26 at 10:51 am to lsupride87
quote:Why would that be easier?
If you see a WR falling to the ground as he is making a catch shouldn’t you wait til he hits the ground to nail him? Seems like that’s an easier way to create force to jar the ball loose
Posted on 1/18/26 at 10:51 am to lsupride87
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He survived the ground
If that was true, then
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He didn’t survive the defender ripping the ball after hitting the ground with bis back
This isnt surviving the ground.
Posted on 1/18/26 at 10:52 am to Eighteen
quote:He WASN'T YET in that condition. If no defender had been there, and then he had lost the ball, you wouldn't think it was controversial at all. He doesn't have possession until he survives the ground. And that takes more than a milisecond of contact with the ground to establish.
If he’s on the ground with possession
Posted on 1/18/26 at 10:52 am to whatiknowsofar
So then legally defenders can rip the ball out of any WR on the ground right?
Posted on 1/18/26 at 10:53 am to lsupride87
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Ok so does everyone know the exact time needed to “survive the ground”?
I don't know the exact ruling per the NFL rulebook. But I feel very confident in saying this. If a receiver loses possession of the ball .5 seconds upon hitting the ground. That is going to be an incomplete pass almost every time.
Posted on 1/18/26 at 10:53 am to lsupride87
Get s life dude, all you do is argue about dumb shite that you can't let go of. The buffalo WR caught the ball the Denver DB grabbed it in mid decent and when they hit the ground he pulled it out instantly.
There was no fighting for the ball like other video you tried to show. You could look at cooks body language he knew what happened, he never argued one bit. He put his head down with disgust and kept it there mad at himself for letting the ball get ripped out.
You can never admit when your wrong , you must be hell to be around.
There was no fighting for the ball like other video you tried to show. You could look at cooks body language he knew what happened, he never argued one bit. He put his head down with disgust and kept it there mad at himself for letting the ball get ripped out.
You can never admit when your wrong , you must be hell to be around.
Posted on 1/18/26 at 10:53 am to lsupride87
quote:I agree that there is some gray area in this part of it - judgment call of the ref. But that's true for EVERY "survives the ground" review.
I want to hear this from people that agree with the call
I actually thought the Denver TD in the endzone earlier was arguably not a catch because it seemed to me that the ball moved when it hit the ground OOB. I think they must have ruled he survived because he also took a step or two OOB before hitting the ground with this body. But I don't actually know.
Posted on 1/18/26 at 10:54 am to lsupride87
quote:Up until the receiver has survived the ground, yes...obviously?
So then legally defenders can rip the ball out of any WR on the ground right?
Posted on 1/18/26 at 10:55 am to QJenk
quote:This. I don't understand why people are acting like the rule suddenly transformed into INSTANTANEOUS.
I don't know the exact ruling per the NFL rulebook. But I feel very confident in saying this. If a receiver loses possession of the ball .5 seconds upon hitting the ground. That is going to be an incomplete pass almost every time.
Posted on 1/18/26 at 10:55 am to Eighteen
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We never got to see if Cooks would have lost the ball from the ground because the defender ripped it out before it had the chance. You can’t just assume Cooks would lose the ball through the ground.
He did lose the ball though. Doesn't matter how-he did.
Posted on 1/18/26 at 10:56 am to QJenk
quote:except here I guess
If a receiver loses possession of the ball .5 seconds upon hitting the ground.
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If tweet fails to load, click here. My entire point is this:
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actually thought the Denver TD in the endzone earlier was arguably not a catch because it seemed to me that the ball moved when it hit the ground OOB.
The same rule being used differently in the same exact game
This post was edited on 1/18/26 at 10:57 am
Posted on 1/18/26 at 10:59 am to Eighteen
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We never got to see if Cooks would have lost the ball from the ground because the defender ripped it out before it had the chance.
Yes, the defender ripped the ball out before Cooks could maintain possession of the ball on the ground. This is called defense.
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In your interpretation, if a WR is on the ground how long does a defender have to rip it out? If a receiver falls to the ground and is sliding along the ground with a ball, can a defender slide in and rip it out then?
I don't know the exact timeframe. But I feel confident in this, if a receiver can't maintain possession of the ball for even .5 seconds on the ground. It's not a catch.
Posted on 1/18/26 at 10:59 am to TigerChief94
It was the right call.
Posted on 1/18/26 at 11:00 am to lsupride87
The ball can move and still be in possession right? Just because it moves doesn't automatically make it an incomplete pass?
Posted on 1/18/26 at 11:00 am to QJenk
quote:Look up and respond to the Denver go ahead TD
I don't know the exact timeframe. But I feel confident in this, if a receiver can't maintain possession of the ball for even .5 seconds on the ground. It's not a catch.
Ball instantly bobbles and WR loses possesion before regaining it OOB
Posted on 1/18/26 at 11:00 am to lsupride87
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So then legally defenders can rip the ball out of any WR on the ground right?
If they dont survive the ground then yes.
Posted on 1/18/26 at 11:01 am to Funky Tide 8
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He did lose the ball though. Doesn't matter how-he did.
it does matter how he did, what are you talking about?
if a receiver was laying on the ground after making a catch and a defender ran over and just kicked it out of his hands, you can’t just go “ope he lost the ball doesn’t matter how”
calling it this way just goes against everything we have seen previously. Cooks had control of the ball on the way to the ground and defender contacted. He loses ball due to defender ripping it out after he’s on the ground. Cooks wasn’t bobbling it. Cooks didn’t lose control mid air. The defender didn’t have complete control until after the ground.
This post was edited on 1/18/26 at 11:02 am
Posted on 1/18/26 at 11:01 am to Funky Tide 8
quote:No. Possession is lost the insane at it bobbles , but it didn’t immediately make it incomplete. Problem is he is laying OOB when possession is regained
The ball can move and still be in possession right?
This post was edited on 1/18/26 at 11:02 am
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