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re: I'll take peak Curry over peak Lebron
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:34 am to AlexLSU
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:34 am to AlexLSU
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In addition to the tangible skills, I also think Lebron is a better leader and has a higher basketball IQ, so I'd take him without a ton of consideration.
I actually give Curry the nod in "intangible qualities". He has the ability to mentally defeat teams. The scoring runs, and the speed of the run, is the most incredible thing to me. His run in the last minute of 1st half and start of the 3rd literally knocked OKC out last night. OKC played nearly perfect basketball for 28 minutes, and saw a 13 point lead go to a 5 point deficit in the blink of an eye. And the crazy thing is, every time you watch a GS game and they are trailing, you are anticipating Curry going god-mode.
That's the shite you can't quantify in a box score.
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:34 am to CocomoLSU
quote:Than Rose was? Are you forgetting Rose won MVP that season? He was a freak at getting to the rim
Sure, but IMO Westbrook is tougher to guard.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:35 am to lsupride87
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Are you forgetting Rose won MVP that season?
Rose should be a convicted felon for that robbery
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:35 am to lsupride87
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The East won the NBA title in 2004 with the Pistons
The East lost in game 7 in the nba finals in 2005 with the Pistons
The East won the NBA title in 2006 with the Heat
So tell me again how it was garbage in 2007?
Your argument about 2007 was telling me all this irrelevant stuff in year's past?
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:35 am to lsupride87
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I don't disagree with you, but I think anybody would struggle to guard Russ the whole game. That dude is on another level athletically (and energy-wise).
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Do you not remember LeBron against Rose?
He didn't guard him a whole game, ever. Several guys guarded him. Lebron did in crunch time and shut him down. That's the best example of Lebron being a super elite defender because he was great.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:37 am to Chad504boy
quote:Because the East was not garbage at all in 2007. That was an elite Pistons team
Your argument about 2007 was telling me all this irrelevant stuff in year's past?
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:37 am to Toula
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I actually give Curry the nod in "intangible qualities". He has the ability to mentally defeat teams. The scoring runs, and the speed of the run, is the most incredible thing to me. His run in the last minute of 1st half and start of the 3rd literally knocked OKC out last night. OKC played nearly perfect basketball for 28 minutes, and saw a 13 point lead go to a 5 point deficit in the blink of an eye. And the crazy thing is, every time you watch a GS game and they are trailing, you are anticipating Curry going god-mode.
That's the shite you can't quantify in a box score.
Exactly what I am saying.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:37 am to AlexLSU
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I also think Lebron is a better leader and has a higher basketball IQ
I think the leader thing is arguable, but in no way can you say Lebron has a higher basketball IQ than Curry IMO.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:39 am to lsupride87
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Than Rose was? Are you forgetting Rose won MVP that season? He was a freak at getting to the rim
I am not forgetting any of that. IMO Russell Westbrook is even more athletic than prime Rose was.
You do realize I am not knocking Lebron at all in this thread, right? So you don't have to leap in and try to defend him with me.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:40 am to PortCityTiger24
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He didn't guard him a whole game, ever. Several guys guarded him. Lebron did in crunch time and shut him down. That's the best example of Lebron being a super elite defender because he was great.
Exactly.
DOES HE NOT REMEMBER??
He somehow thinks me saying that anybody would struggle to keep up with RW the whole game is a slight to Lebron.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:41 am to PortCityTiger24
MSB retards have switched from Bron over MJ to Curry over Bron.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:41 am to lsupride87
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Because the East was not garbage at all in 2007
Dude, you are just arguing to argue now. The East was weak AF in 07. Detroit was an aging team. They only won 53 games that year. The Cavs were the only other team to win 50 games. The Raptors were the 3rd seed...google their roster, they were garbo and lost to the Nets who were a .500 team.
I'll always give Lebron props for putting that team on his back against Detroit, but that Pistons team was clearly on the decline and the rest of the East sucked. 07 Finals is one of the worst of all time.
This post was edited on 5/31/16 at 10:42 am
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:44 am to PortCityTiger24
For me, there's two different ways to handle the argument.
1) One vs one. I'll take Lebron just b/c of the all around game. You put either on a shitty team and they aren't winning a title.
2) Peak vs Peak with a championship supporting cast. That's where I take Curry.
1) One vs one. I'll take Lebron just b/c of the all around game. You put either on a shitty team and they aren't winning a title.
2) Peak vs Peak with a championship supporting cast. That's where I take Curry.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:46 am to CocomoLSU
quote:I mean, it's such a subjective thing, but Lebron has been hailed as one a hoops IQ that is up there alongside any of the greats, so I'm not sure that could be a definitive point in Curry's favor.
but in no way can you say Lebron has a higher basketball IQ than Curry IMO.
Then there's all the examples of players and coaches talking about Lebron in timeouts telling coaches a team is going to run some play it ran in the same spot 5 seasons ago, and being right. I'm sure Curry may have little things too, but from all indications, Lebron's a bit of a basketball savant. Not by my take, from what I've read of other players and coaches talking about him.
This post was edited on 5/31/16 at 10:48 am
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:49 am to lsupride87
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Because the East was not garbage at all in 2007. That was an elite Pistons team
top 4 teams in west totaled 237 wins
top 4 teams in east totaled 194 wins
east gets swept in finals
your elite pistons would have barely been 4 seed in west (that's using their east weak arse schedule too)
2007 east fricking retarded weak.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:53 am to Chad504boy
quote:In 2004, the year the Pistons won the NBA title, they would have been a 3 seed in the west. Your point?
your elite pistons would have barely been 4 seed in west (that's using their east weak arse schedule too)
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:53 am to shel311
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I mean, it's such a subjective thing, but Lebron has been hailed as one a hoops IQ that is up there alongside any of the greats, so I'm not sure that could be a definitive point in Curry's favor.
Then there's all the examples of players and coaches talking about Lebron in timeouts telling coaches a team is going to run some play it ran in the same spot 5 seasons ago, and being right. I'm sure Curry may have little things too, but from all indications, Lebron's a bit of a basketball savant. Not by my take, from what I've read of other players and coaches talking about him.
FWIW, I'm not trying to say that Lebron's IQ can't hang with Curry's. Not at all. But you can't do some of the things Curry does and not have an outstanding concept of basketball and a fantastic bball IQ. I think Lebron has a BRILLIANT bball IQ. I just think that Curry does as well, and saying that Lebron's is better isn't something I agree with. That's all.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 11:02 am to lsupride87
quote:meh. Defense fluctuates from year to year. The defense step played last year, statistically, falls in line with how well lebron generally plays. Now, lebron is definitely the better defensive player, but to the point where I can just shrug off stephs offense? I don't know
He isnt in the same league as peak LeBron. Not even close
Posted on 5/31/16 at 11:04 am to shel311
quote:his overall numbers would go up and he would still be producing at this level of efficiency so.....
No reason to think his efficiency numbers go up
Posted on 5/31/16 at 11:04 am to lsupride87
quote:they were also 3rd seed in east, so that's more balanced. god damn you always saf with lebron dick sucking arguments.
In 2004, the year the Pistons won the NBA title, they would have been a 3 seed in the west. Your point?
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