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re: I'll take peak Curry over peak Lebron
Posted on 5/31/16 at 9:28 am to therick711
Posted on 5/31/16 at 9:28 am to therick711
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Yep. One outlier season by Martell Webster proves my point.
That Martell Webster could be as good as Ray Allen that season proves your point and doesn't prove that Allen wasn't really THAT impressive.
To stay on topic, Webster's career 3pt% is 1 percentage point behind Ray Allen's in his 2 year Miami stint...
This post was edited on 5/31/16 at 9:33 am
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 9:57 am to PortCityTiger24
I'll take peak LeBron.
If Curry goes cold...that's pretty much it. You get no other value from him.
If LeBron goes cold, he's still an exceptional distributor, rebounder, defender, etc...
Some of you people are too enamored by the 3pt shot.
If Curry goes cold...that's pretty much it. You get no other value from him.
If LeBron goes cold, he's still an exceptional distributor, rebounder, defender, etc...
Some of you people are too enamored by the 3pt shot.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:04 am to dcrews
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Some of you people are too enamored by the 3pt shot.
First, he's more than just a 3 point shooter. He was getting to the cup at will in the 2nd half against good defense. His handles are 2nd to none, and he's an elite passer.
Second, there's one thing to be enamored by a good 3 point shooter...this dude made 400 in one year and shoots them as well as big men shoot near the basket and does it when people are seemingly playing great defense against him. Again, he is unlike anything we have ever seen. This is not an overreaction to last night or the series...it's watching him over time and making an objective opinion.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:07 am to PortCityTiger24
quote:The main crux of your argument, as pointed out by shel, is defense.
This is not an overreaction to last night or the series...it's watching him over time and making an objective opinion
Their offense output is close(eventhough LeBron leads in every single advanced stat), but their defense isnt.
There really is not an objective way to take Curry here when you look at the complete game
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:11 am to dcrews
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If Curry goes cold...that's pretty much it. You get no other value from him.
If LeBron goes cold, he's still an exceptional distributor, rebounder, defender, etc...
Some of you people are too enamored by the 3pt shot.
Are you insinuating that Curry isn't an elite ballhandler and distributor? Because if you are, then you are laughably wrong.
And Curry plays solid D. Not lights out defense, but he's good (as opposed to just "serviceable") on defense.
As for this thread, I'll entertain the argument of taking Curry over Lebron at their peaks, but I am not buying into it. And for the most part, I love Curry and don't really care for Lebron. But Lebron brings more versatility to the table than Curry, and is a freak of nature. From a business standpoint though, I can see an argument for Curry.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:14 am to lsupride87
quote:except there absolutely is. He is producing at prime LeBron level, and is doing do in fewer minutes and lower usg%
There really is not an objective way to take Curry here when you look at the complete game
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:15 am to WestCoastAg
quote:Peak Lebron defense...
except there absolutely is. He is producing at prime LeBron level, and is doing do in fewer minutes and lower usg%
Lebron is wayyyyyyyyy closer to Steph offensively than Steph now is to peak lebron defensively.
This post was edited on 5/31/16 at 10:16 am
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:18 am to CocomoLSU
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As for this thread, I'll entertain the argument of taking Curry over Lebron at their peaks, but I am not buying into it. And for the most part, I love Curry and don't really care for Lebron. But Lebron brings more versatility to the table than Curry, and is a freak of nature. From a business standpoint though, I can see an argument for Curry.
That's all I am saying...there is an argument to be made.
People love that Lebron gets all of these rebounds and plays good defense. I'll take Curry's ability to score at will anywhere across the half court line. Let's not pretend that Curry couldn't average double digit assists if he needed to. Draymond plays that role, but Curry is still an elite playmaker. He made averaging 30 points in damn near 3 quarters look easy this year.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:18 am to shel311
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Lebron is wayyyyyyyyy closer to Steph offensively than Steph now is to peak lebron defensively.
That's true, but if you play good team defense, then singular defense isn't as* important.
* (key word, because it's obviously still important)
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:21 am to CocomoLSU
quote:True.
That's true, but if you play good team defense, then singular defense isn't as* important. * (key word, because it's obviously still important)
But with peak Lebron, it was whoever needed to be stopped, Lebron go guard that guy and that guy's night was basically over.
FWIW, I've talked up Curry's defense against Westbrook, so he's certainly no slouch. But we're just not even in the same hemisphere defensively. There were times they had to hide Curry in the WCF probably because guarding Westbrook was wearing him out and affecting his shot offensively. Peak Lebron, handled whatever was needed defensively with no real issues.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:22 am to shel311
quote:now just imagine the type of numbers curry would have if he played the same minutes lebron did from 2008-2010 and had a usg% in the mid 30s
Lebron is wayyyyyyyyy closer to Steph offensively than Steph now is to peak lebron defensively.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:23 am to WestCoastAg
quote:Without being in the same hemisphere with the other HALF of the game
except there absolutely is. He is producing at prime LeBron level, and is doing do in fewer minutes and lower usg%
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:24 am to lsupride87
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The main crux of your argument, as pointed out by shel, is defense.
Their offense output is close(eventhough LeBron leads in every single advanced stat), but their defense isnt.
There really is not an objective way to take Curry here when you look at the complete game
First, let me say that I'd take peak Lebron over peak Curry in this debate because of the all around game. In addition to the tangible skills, I also think Lebron is a better leader and has a higher basketball IQ, so I'd take him without a ton of consideration.
I agree that Lebron has the more well-rounded game. Better defender, better passer, better rebounder, and he'll never be physically overmatched like Steph was at times against OKC. However, Steph's one advantage over Lebron (his shooting) is an enormous advantage. Steph is arguably the greatest offensive player in league history, so Lebron's advantage in all these other areas is mitigated by Steph's absolutely absurd skill and efficiency on offense.
It's Lebron, but it's a good argument.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:24 am to PortCityTiger24
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People love that Lebron gets all of these rebounds and plays good defense. I'll take Curry's ability to score at will anywhere across the half court line. Let's not pretend that Curry couldn't average double digit assists if he needed to. Draymond plays that role, but Curry is still an elite playmaker. He made averaging 30 points in damn near 3 quarters look easy this year.
I agree with you. The most impressive thing about Curry's sick stats is that he does it a lot of times without playing in the fourth quarters/late of/in games. While people like Harden or Durant are still chucking up shots and drawing fouls late in games, Curry is on his third bottle of Gatorade with his shoes off. And his numbers are still better.
And of course he could average more assists than he currently does. That much is obvious. That's why I don't get the argument of the dude above that I responded to, when he said Lebron brings more to the table and named being a "distributor" as one. Curry distributes the ball better than almost everybody. And that's with people like Draymond "stealing" assists from him.
My point about business is that Curry would bring more people to the table in terms of ticket sales IMO. I don't think there's that much of an advantage there, but I do think there is one. As great as Lebron was at his peak (or is, so fanboys don't piss themselves), he was never "must see" quite like Curry has been the last 2+ seasons. He definitely plays more "entertaining basketball" if that makes sense. And I think there's some merit to that when picking someone to build a franchise around.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:24 am to lsupride87
quote:you guys are acting like he didn't have a top 20 defensive season last year
Without being in the same hemisphere with the other HALF of the game
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:26 am to WestCoastAg
quote:Curry is a good defender. He isnt in the same league as peak LeBron. Not even close
you guys are acting like he didn't have a top 20 defensive season last year
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:26 am to WestCoastAg
quote:No reason to think his efficiency numbers go up, so yea, his offense would still laggy behind Lebron's defense.
now just imagine the type of numbers curry would have if he played the same minutes lebron did from 2008-2010 and had a usg% in the mid 30s
Why would anyone try to deny that?
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:28 am to shel311
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FWIW, I've talked up Curry's defense against Westbrook, so he's certainly no slouch. But we're just not even in the same hemisphere defensively. There were times they had to hide Curry in the WCF probably because guarding Westbrook was wearing him out and affecting his shot offensively. Peak Lebron, handled whatever was needed defensively with no real issues.
I don't disagree with you, but I think anybody would struggle to guard Russ the whole game. That dude is on another level athletically (and energy-wise). I don't think that's a knock on Curry as much as it's just praise to Westbrook.
Lebron's main advantage on defense ovbviously is his size. Lebron can guard just about all positions, whereas Curry is limited to 1-3 (maybe 4 depending on who it is, and only for a short time).
The way Lebron is built, his defense is sort of like how Draymond can guard 1-5. That's a rarity. And Draymond's great at it. He's quick enough to stay in front of guards (for the most part), but also "big enough" to challenge/block shots at the rim from bigs. Lebron is definitely in a similar mold.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:29 am to CocomoLSU
quote:I disagree. Do you not remember LeBron against Rose?
I don't disagree with you, but I think anybody would struggle to guard Russ the whole game. That dude is on another level athletically (and energy-wise).
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:33 am to lsupride87
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Do you not remember LeBron against Rose?
Sure, but IMO Westbrook is tougher to guard.
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