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Posted on 12/20/15 at 8:55 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Carson is destroying Cam in yards passing. But Cam is a polarizing fan favorite and Carson is vanilla.
Because rushing yards and TDs mean nothing
Posted on 12/20/15 at 8:55 pm to Bham4Tide
it's Cam, then Brady way down the line, then Palmer
Posted on 12/20/15 at 8:58 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Yeah, Cam Newton will win it only because he is obnoxious. That's perfect.
Posted on 12/20/15 at 9:01 pm to Bham4Tide
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Palmer has much better stats leading the Cards.
This is fricking stupid. As of right now here are the comparison in passing stats
Palmer: 4165 YDS 31 TD 9 INT 64%
Newton: 3502 YDS 33 TD 10 INT 59%
Palmer WRs: Larry Fitzgerald, Malcolm Floyd, John Brown
Newton WRs: Tedd Ginn, Jericho Cotchery, Devin Funchess
Palmer's top 3 WRs would be the best WR on the Panthers. Cardinals OL >>>>> Panthers OL
Posted on 12/20/15 at 9:09 pm to Spelt it rong
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Take Palmer off the Cards and they're a 5-11 team.
Take Cam off the Panthers and they're a 7-9 or 8-8 team.
Why because Carolina's #3 ranked defense is 3 games better than Arizona's #4 ranked defense?
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The Panthers run an offense that Cam absolutely thrives in and relies heavily on the run much like at Auburn. (over 50%)
You do realize that Arizona outrushes Carolina by about 300 yards if you don't take into account Cam's ~600 yards?
You also realize that you are arguing that Cam doesn't deserve to get the MVP because his team is taking advantage of his freak talent right?
Posted on 12/20/15 at 9:21 pm to GenesChin
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You do realize that Arizona outrushes Carolina by about 300 yards if you don't take into account Cam's ~600 yards?
No. I'm not mixing and matching stats to try to prove a point, nor am I saying one should win over the other. His rushing yards contribute to his candidacy as the MVP, though I don't find him to be as valuable as Palmer, only because we saw just last season what the Cardinals look like without him. We haven't seen that situation with Cam and the Panthers.
ETA: You're obviously frustrated and extremely defensive when it comes to this topic. I think if anything, you should enjoy watching your obvious favorite player dominate at the highest level. This is the 2nd time in what, 6 years that he's been 14-0 as a starting qb? Enjoy it and stop trying to attack everyone who doesn't automatically pick Cam.
This post was edited on 12/20/15 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 12/20/15 at 9:24 pm to Bham4Tide
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Palmer has much better stats
Posted on 12/20/15 at 9:30 pm to Spelt it rong
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only because we saw just last season what the Cardinals look like without him
You mean after they lost both Palmer and Stanton? Cardinals didn't go full dumpster fire until they had to sign a guy off the street to play for them. If Derek Anderson was QB for either team, he likely will do better with the Cardianls and their WRs/OL
ETA**: I am a huge Cardinals fan (480 represent) and love Carson Palmer. I wouldn't be upset if Palmer deserved to win MVP and did over Cam
I am defensive about people making dumb arguments. There are arguments against Cam Newton as MVP that hold some weight. Yours just aren't them
Tom Brady is the guy who has a real argument vs Cam due to superior stats, injuries to top WRs/TE and OL + great record
This post was edited on 12/20/15 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 12/20/15 at 9:40 pm to GenesChin
I think you're just failing to see that I didn't pick anyone out of Cam or Palmer (entire reason for thread). I think they're both playing great football and that Cam (didn't start the year off fantastic but has been incredible the last 7 weeks) is running his offense that caters to him to perfection.
Posted on 12/20/15 at 9:45 pm to Spelt it rong
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Take Palmer off the Cards and they're a 5-11 team.
I dont believe this one bit. Stanton can lead them to .500.
Posted on 12/20/15 at 9:46 pm to Spelt it rong
I never said you did, I was simply breaking apart your arguments/observations that either were misleading or wrong.
For example, you say that Cam is in an offense perfect for him which implies that is unique to Cams situation. That ignores that Palmer is a near perfect QB for a Bruce Arians offense, as per Arians himself.
For example, you say that Cam is in an offense perfect for him which implies that is unique to Cams situation. That ignores that Palmer is a near perfect QB for a Bruce Arians offense, as per Arians himself.
Posted on 12/20/15 at 9:50 pm to Spelt it rong
The Cardinals actually have a higher ranked defense.
Posted on 12/20/15 at 9:54 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
After this week tbey will. I think Panthers were still statistically better going into this week
Posted on 12/20/15 at 11:19 pm to Bham4Tide
I'd vote cam, but Palmer winning wouldn't make me mad. He's been great.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 2:05 am to Bham4Tide
People are just totally forgetting to add in cams rushing stats like it isn't a valuable part of his wins. Y'all know nothing
Posted on 12/21/15 at 2:12 am to GenesChin
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Tom Brady is the guy who has a real argument vs Cam due to superior stats, injuries to top WRs/TE and OL + great record
Eh most people know that the style of offense that Brady is in makes him and his numbers look better than he is. Dude will throw 40 passes a game, and only 10 of them will be more than 5 yards past the line of scrimmage
Posted on 12/21/15 at 7:20 am to ReturnoftheMuschamp
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most people know that the style of offense that Brady is in makes him and his numbers look better than he is. Dude will throw 40 passes a game, and only 10 of them will be more than 5 yards past the line of scrimmage
If it was that easy, every team would run the offense. Brady finds the open receiver in like avg 1.6 seconds. No one else is under 2 seconds. Insane how quick he processes
Bradys running back is Blount, best OL and WR injured and still has unreal stats.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 8:13 am to Bham4Tide
Let's take a look at Carolina's cupcake wins this season:
Jacksonville - weak team
Houston - weak team
New Orleans - weak team
Tampa Bay - mediocre team
Seattle - mediocre early in the season
Philadelphia - weak team
Indianapolis - weak team
Green Bay - mediocre team
Tennessee - weak team
Washington - weak team
Dallas - weak team
Atlanta - weak team
New York Giants - weak team
Seattle is the only decent defense they played against.
Jacksonville - weak team
Houston - weak team
New Orleans - weak team
Tampa Bay - mediocre team
Seattle - mediocre early in the season
Philadelphia - weak team
Indianapolis - weak team
Green Bay - mediocre team
Tennessee - weak team
Washington - weak team
Dallas - weak team
Atlanta - weak team
New York Giants - weak team
Seattle is the only decent defense they played against.
Posted on 12/27/15 at 5:21 pm to Bham4Tide
Guess I can bump this thread.
Has anything changed?
Is Cam still the leader? Or is it Palmer?
Has anything changed?
Is Cam still the leader? Or is it Palmer?
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