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re: NBA Playoff First Round Predictions
Posted on 4/15/16 at 8:55 am to PrimeTime Money
Posted on 4/15/16 at 8:55 am to PrimeTime Money
quote:I said all of it, not just the 1st part about turnovers.
This makes no sense. He's averaging like 1 turnover per game more than the average guy. 1 turnover is not the difference between winning a title and not.
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Posted on 4/15/16 at 8:57 am to PrimeTime Money
quote:Well making the WCF last year tells they have as good a chance as any. Maybe he's right maybe GS is too good so that no other team can win a title. But that doesn't make HOU any different so whats the reasoning to point it out like it's a knock.
All of this why a team with Harden as the #1 guy as presently constitued can't win a title. They just can't.
This makes no sense. He's averaging like 1 turnover per game more than the average guy.
1 turnover is not the difference between winning a title and not.
OKC will NEVER win a title as constructed. CLE will NEVER win a title as constructed. NOP will NEVER win a title as constructed. See how easy that is. Could say the same for every team because as long as GSW is playing at this level no one will beat them.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 8:58 am to shel311
Just as I suspected. It takes less than 10 seconds to search your own post for a key word or 2.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 9:00 am to shel311
quote:You mean because he's relied on so heavily?
I said all of it, not just the 1st part about turnovers.
The only reason for that is because they have nobody else who can score. It is necessary for him to have the ball so much because otherwise the offense screeches to a halt.
You say it like its a bad thing. Harden is the reason that the offense is pretty good, and he has no help. Although they need someone else who can score (and Michael Beasley has helped there), he offense isn't a big issue. It's team defense.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 9:02 am to Boomshockalocka
quote:Yep, that .500 8th seed has as good a chance as any, no doubt!!!
Well making the WCF last year tells they have as good a chance as any
quote:I didn't say GS is the only team that can be HOU in the playoffs.
But that doesn't make HOU any different so whats the reasoning to point it out like it's a knock.
quote:Not crazy about OKC, but they could with this team in the next couple of seasons.
OKC will NEVER win a title as constructed
quote:Of course they can.
CLE will NEVER win a title as constructed
quote:They won 30 games, you don't say!!!
NOP will NEVER win a title as constructed
quote:All it takes is 1 injury...but as I said, GS certainly isn't the only team holding HOU back from winning a title.
See how easy that is. Could say the same for every team because as long as GSW is playing at this level no one will beat them.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 9:02 am to Boomshockalocka
quote:I have no idea how to do that. In the 10 seconds it took you to post this, I'm sure you could have done it and found it yourself though.
Just as I suspected. It takes less than 10 seconds to search your own post for a key word or 2.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 9:04 am to PrimeTime Money
quote:His style of play and how good he is at it isn't enough to be the #1 guy on a title team. That's what I'm saying. It bogs down the offense. If you are going to do this, you have to be Lebron/MJ level good to overcome it, Harden isn't that level of good.
You mean because he's relied on so heavily? The only reason for that is because they have nobody else who can score. It is necessary for him to have the ball so much because otherwise the offense screeches to a halt. You say it like its a bad thing. Harden is the reason that the offense is pretty good, and he has no help. Although they need someone else who can score (and Michael Beasley has helped there), he offense isn't a big issue. It's team defense.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 9:07 am to shel311
This makes no sense as well. He averages an efficient 29 ppg. He doesn't bog down the offense at all. Just the opposite.
When he comes out of the game, that's when the offense bogs down. He creates offense.
He's not some black hole. He averages 7.5 assists and passes the ball around. He is a 1-man offensive machine.
When he comes out of the game, that's when the offense bogs down. He creates offense.
He's not some black hole. He averages 7.5 assists and passes the ball around. He is a 1-man offensive machine.
This post was edited on 4/15/16 at 9:08 am
Posted on 4/15/16 at 9:09 am to shel311
quote:The construction of the team is the same as it was last year. YOu said the construction of the team couldnt win a title when I'd say they proved they could compete with this construction last season. This season is irrelevant.
ep, that .500 8th seed has as good a chance as any, no doubt!!!
quote:Nope, too reliant on one and one and they turn it over too much.
Not crazy about OKC, but they could with this team in the next couple of seasons.
quote:Nope too reliant on one player.
Of course they can.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 9:10 am to PrimeTime Money
quote:Ahhhh, so saying he's not MJ or Lebron level good is now saying he's a black hole, got it!!!
He's not some black hole
As I've said before, think about the teams who have won titles. You either have 2004 DET, GS, or Spurs teams who do it as a total team effort, move the ball around on offense. We know HOU doesn't do that.
NOw think about the other teams...led by Lebron, Curry, Wade...Harden isn't as good as those guys. If you take that as some huge diss, so be it.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 9:12 am to shel311
quote:It's a false premise. First of all, I don't think a player has to be "as good" as Jordan and LeBron to carry a team to the Finals.
Ahhhh, so saying he's not MJ or Lebron level good is now saying he's a black hole, got it!!! As I've said before, think about the teams who have won titles. You either have 2004 DET, GS, or Spurs teams who do it as a total team effort, move the ball around on offense. We know HOU doesn't do that. NOw think about the other teams...led by Lebron, Curry, Wade...Harden isn't as good as those guys. If you take that as some huge diss, so be it.
Secondly, I think Harden is every bit as good as LeBron on offense.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 9:12 am to Boomshockalocka
quote:They proved they were far away from beating GS in a 7 game series.
YOu said the construction of the team couldnt win a title when I'd say they proved they could compete with this construction last season.
quote:You just said it's the same team, but the good season is relevant and the bad one isn't. Boom logic!!!
This season is irrelevant
quote:Uhh, so OKC can't win because they're too reliant on one and one and turn it over too much, but HOU is reliant on 1 on 1 and turns it over too much can win. Boom logic!!!
Nope, too reliant on one and one and they turn it over too much.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 9:12 am to shel311
Harden has a higher Offensive win share and Offensive box plus minus than lerbon the last 2 seasons. Oh and a higher TS%. But yea he's not as offensively efficient as lebron. 
Posted on 4/15/16 at 9:14 am to shel311
quote:They lost the first 2 games on the last possessions.
They proved they were far away from beating GS in a 7 game series.
2 or 3 shots go in and they are heading home to HOU up 2-0. losing one possession games arent "far away" no matter what way you cut it bubba. quote:YOu said team construction, not me. The team is constructed the same way.
You just said it's the same team, but the good season is relevant and the bad one isn't. Boom logic!!!
Posted on 4/15/16 at 9:15 am to PrimeTime Money
quote:I didn't say anything about getting to the Finals, I said winning.
It's a false premise. First of all, I don't think a player has to be "as good" as Jordan and LeBron to carry a team to the Finals.
quote:Every bit as good as the Lebron that won 2 titles? That's funny.
Secondly, I think Harden is every bit as good as LeBron on offense.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 9:15 am to shel311
quote:I was speaking in your tone/mocking you. Thought you'd pick up on that.
Uhh, so OKC can't win because they're too reliant on one and one and turn it over too much, but HOU is reliant on 1 on 1 and turns it over too much can win. Boom logic!!!
Posted on 4/15/16 at 9:16 am to shel311
quote:
NOw think about the other teams...led by Lebron, Curry, Wade...Harden isn't as good as those guys.
Those guys have had better supporting casts. You mentioned Lebron...and Wade. Lebron didn't win a title until teaming up with Wade / Bosh so it's not like he's capable of what you are talking about either. He would not win a title in Houston right now. Give Harden Golden State's team and he's the #1 guy and they are still favorites to win. Curry is definitely better...but Harden could definitely be the #1 guy on a championship team.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 9:16 am to Boomshockalocka
quote:And the series was over real quick, wasn't it?
They lost the first 2 games
quote:So they lost, is what you're saying.
2 or 3 shots go in and they are heading home to HOU up 2-0. losing one possession games arent "far away" no matter what way you cut it bubba.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 9:16 am to shel311
quote:LeBron won 2 titles teamed up with Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh.
Every bit as good as the Lebron that won 2 titles? That's funny.
The Dwyane Wade you said was better than Harden.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 9:21 am to PortCityTiger24
quote:So you're saying Harden is as good as all of those guys were in their title years, it's just the supporting cast? Btw, HOU was a #2 seed last season, that cast wasn't as bad as you're claiming.
Those guys have had better supporting casts
Can't really argue much else with you if you're that far out into space with your thinking, I guess.
quote:Well, he won a title, so he was pretty clearly capable of what I was talking about. Maybe not what you're talking about, but certainly he has 2 rings to prove he was capable of what I was talking about.
You mentioned Lebron...and Wade. Lebron didn't win a title until teaming up with Wade / Bosh so it's not like he's capable of what you are talking about either.
quote:Of course he wouldn't. But the Lebron that won 2 titles, not even saying he could lead this team over GS, but they sure as hell would have a MUCH better shot with THAT Lebron than Harden, not even sure why we're arguing that, it's not really up for debate it's so obvious.
He would not win a title in Houston right now
quote:No, Curry is. If you're subbing him for Curry, the team completely changes from spacing/ball movement to ball dominant Harden, and SAS would be the clear favorite, no longer GS.
Give Harden Golden State's team and he's the #1 guy and they are still favorites to win
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