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re: Should this hit be a penalty (CFB) ?
Posted on 7/28/11 at 6:00 pm to lob1284
Posted on 7/28/11 at 6:00 pm to lob1284
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when you are running full speed right at someone who is running full speed, it's kind of instinctive to just drop your shoulder in his chest, almost bracing yourself for the collision.
i agree
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the receiver naturally ducks his head. the target goes from the center of his chest to his head.
i agree
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Posted on 7/28/11 at 7:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
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looks like a shoulder, not a helmet, engages the receiver
You are fricking blind! Pause the video at the :46 mark
This post was edited on 7/28/11 at 7:09 pm
Posted on 7/28/11 at 7:51 pm to LSU82BILL
there may be some helment-helmet contact, but that's b/c the receiver ducked his head more than anything else
Posted on 7/28/11 at 7:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
No, but if i were Carroll i would have punished him somehow for going for the big hit and not the tackle and thereby hitting your own teammate worse than the PSU guy, frickin Karnell Hatcher shite there.
Posted on 7/28/11 at 9:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
Old school definition:
Spearing is intentional use of the helmet (including the face mask) in an attempt to punish an opponent.”
College officials had difficulty enforcing the vague rule so they made adjustments to the wording to cover a broader range of unnecessary violence in these collisions. Removing "intentional" from the wording and focusing on high hits regardless of helmet positioning. A player launching himself (i.e. leaving his feet) was also a visual key given to officials to make this judgement call.
2004 Rule Change
It's amateur athletics and as much as we like the big hits its nice to have them walk off the field.
Spearing is intentional use of the helmet (including the face mask) in an attempt to punish an opponent.”
College officials had difficulty enforcing the vague rule so they made adjustments to the wording to cover a broader range of unnecessary violence in these collisions. Removing "intentional" from the wording and focusing on high hits regardless of helmet positioning. A player launching himself (i.e. leaving his feet) was also a visual key given to officials to make this judgement call.
2004 Rule Change
It's amateur athletics and as much as we like the big hits its nice to have them walk off the field.
Posted on 7/29/11 at 9:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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there may be some helment-helmet contact, but that's b/c the receiver ducked his head more than anything else
MAY be? The receiver's fault? GTFO and watch it again!
Posted on 7/29/11 at 9:54 am to SlowFlowPro
SEC Officials...
Posted on 7/29/11 at 9:56 am to SlowFlowPro
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spearing involves the helmet, right?
Spearing is leading with the top of your helmet...which is even more dangerous to the tackler
Posted on 7/29/11 at 10:28 am to SlowFlowPro
I miss the days of football where defense mattered and the rules weren't catered to offense.
No way is that hit dirty or should have been illegal. That was a vicious hit from a vicious, hard-hitting safety, in order to prevent the receiver from catching the ball. Those are the type of hits that makes the other receivers start hearing "footsteps" when they come across the middle.
No way is that hit dirty or should have been illegal. That was a vicious hit from a vicious, hard-hitting safety, in order to prevent the receiver from catching the ball. Those are the type of hits that makes the other receivers start hearing "footsteps" when they come across the middle.
Posted on 7/29/11 at 10:30 am to SlowFlowPro
He led with his shoulder to the head. So yeah, it should be penalized.
BTW, it was hits like that which got Chuck Cecil black balled.
BTW, it was hits like that which got Chuck Cecil black balled.
Posted on 7/29/11 at 1:08 pm to 7thWardTiger
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No way is that hit dirty or should have been illegal. That was a vicious hit from a vicious, hard-hitting safety, in order to prevent the receiver from catching the ball. Those are the type of hits that makes the other receivers start hearing "footsteps" when they come across the middle.
Hey macho man: Tell that to the family of a player that is dealing with post-concussion syndrome and dementia or committed suicide because it was easier than dealing with the complications of repetitive brain injury trauma.
Posted on 7/29/11 at 1:22 pm to LSU82BILL
quote:hey pussy, its a violent contact sport played by guys who have the bodies of Gods and can run with deer. You know what you sign up for when you play the sport. Hell, you know what you sign up for when you play receiver. People with your line of thinking is why this sport will be fricking flag football in 30 years. With the technology we have today in helmets and padding, those are symptons and illnesses you won't see when our generation of players get old.
Hey macho man: Tell that to the family of a player that is dealing with post-concussion syndrome and dementia or committed suicide because it was easier than dealing with the complications of repetitive brain injury trauma.
Posted on 7/29/11 at 1:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
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looks like a shoulder, not a helmet, engages the receiver
Looks like it is a close call there. Seems like the shoulder and helmet engage at about the same time. Whether he made contact with one before the other is difficult to tell.
I guess that makes it a borderline call, and it looked violent, so it got called.
To his credit, it does look like Mays made an effort to avoid helmet to helmet contact, unsuccessfully.
Posted on 7/29/11 at 1:34 pm to Sophandros
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Chuck Cecil
PAC 10 has always had the hardest hitting DBs.
Ronnie Lott
Kenny Easley
Dennis Smith
Taylor Mays
Mel Renfro
Posted on 7/29/11 at 1:36 pm to lob1284
Blatant spearing - Major Wright vs. OU
I couldn't believe this wasn't called. It was a malicious play. Notice Wright delayed his celebration until after he was sure there were no flags. Punk.
I couldn't believe this wasn't called. It was a malicious play. Notice Wright delayed his celebration until after he was sure there were no flags. Punk.
This post was edited on 7/29/11 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 7/29/11 at 1:39 pm to Esarhaddon
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No, but if i were Carroll i would have punished him somehow for going for the big hit and not the tackle and thereby hitting your own teammate worse than the PSU guy, frickin Karnell Hatcher shite there.
Carroll did punish him by not drafting him and drafting the guy from Texas instead.
But seriously, the big hit is Mays' MO, and is one of the main reasons why he isn't better at playing safety. He could be the best.
Posted on 7/29/11 at 1:41 pm to TxTiger82
Agreed, always remember him for getting run over by Jacob Hester in 2007 though 
Posted on 7/29/11 at 1:47 pm to Esarhaddon
We have the benefit of instant replay. This shite happened fast as hell in real time with the refs being several yards away. Based on the sound of helmets colliding and the aftermath, you have to make the call... correct or not.
Posted on 7/29/11 at 2:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
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spearing involves the helmet, right?
Specifically, the crown of the helmet. It is 100% not spearing, IMO. CFB refs are just bitches and throw flags on anything that looks "too violent" for their tastes.
Posted on 7/29/11 at 2:57 pm to Tiger in NY
Yes, he launched himself at a defensless players head. And for you retards that say shite like "this aint no pussy ball, obama wants to take our guns" blah blah blah, try taking a hit from Taylor Mays and THEN you can argue
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