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Posted on 12/21/12 at 5:06 pm to Bench McElroy
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Bradshaw and Manning are both clutch as hell and great in big games but also have a lot of games when they looked really mediocre and absolutely worthless at times. Usually, the good outweighs the bad in both cases.
To be fair. Bradshaw had MUCH more talent around him tham Eli has had.
Posted on 12/21/12 at 7:13 pm to LSUSoulja08
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No one beats tebow is this race. Absolutely nobody. The fricking hype around the media for him. I said he was no good as a qb from day fricking one. Seriously, tebow sucks. Always has and always will as a qb.
If given the chance on a team like the Jaguars I guarantee he'd make the team better. I don't think he is some phenomenal pro bowl caliber passer, nor do I think he ever will be, but I know he's a winner.
Not some gaudy stats as a starter, but he wins.
14 starts; 3 in 2010, 11 in 2011.
17 touchdowns 9 interceptions.
989 rushing yards at 5 yards per attempt, which is his biggest attribute. In 2011, he averaged nearly 9 yards an attempt. The Jets were an absolute joke with how they put him in, and were incredibly obvious.
In the right scheme, and utilized correctly he can beat you both ways.
He took a Broncos team that started off 1-4 to the playoffs. I realize the division was week, and he had miraculous 4th quarters along with unexplainable things going on, but he still won games. In fact, the "Tebow Time" ordeal was some of the most exciting stuff I have ever seen in sports because of how ridiculous it was. He then wins a playoff game against a heavily favored Pittsburg squad. He might be the most unfairly treated and scrutinized athlete there is, now that Lebron James has won a title. Not close to a high level quarterback, but a winner with intangibles, and far from overrated.
Posted on 12/21/12 at 7:21 pm to Dire Wolf
quote:Who overrates Namath?
Someone find me a more overrated qb than joe Namath?
He was an average NFL QB.
He just guaranteed a win, and won.
Outside of that, he was nothing special.
Posted on 12/21/12 at 7:33 pm to Roaad
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He was an average NFL QB.
AGREED.
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He just guaranteed a win, and won.
He didn't just WIN. He changed the game of the NFL as we know it now. The BIG and BAD Colts were supposed to CRUSH the Jets in SB3 But Namath KNEW what he was talking about when he said a WIN. He played a GREAT GAME. A daredevil in a football uniform is what Joe Namath was.
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Outside of that, he was nothing special.
He didn't need to be.
Posted on 12/21/12 at 8:07 pm to timlan2057
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You guys need to understand how much the rule changes on pass coverage totally changed the NFL in 1978.
Namath played in a time where the DB could pound the receiver non-stop until the ball was in the air. The emphasis was on big, physical CBs.
In 1978, the "five yard rule" was adopted where the DB could only make contact once within the first five yards and then no more.
In the late 70s and early 80s, Bill Walsh invented the dink and dunk West Coast offense that took advantage of the new rules with quick slants, etc.
In the seasons ahead, a 60 percent pass completion rate and 300 yard games became common place.
Namath played in an entirely different era. 300 yards passing in a game was quite an achievement.
So you people who are disparaging Namath for a 50 percent pass completion percentage need to put things in perspective. Yes, even for his day, Namath was not a pinpoint short passer but he was one of the greatest long passers of all-time.
1978 was a rubicon in NFL history. You are comparing apples and oranges if you try to compare qbs from the different eras.
Well then, let's compare him to a QB from his era that isn't in the Hall, Roman Gabriel. Gabriel actually retired the same year that Namath did), (He came into the league in 1962, 3 years before Namath did)
Career Numbers:
.............COMP%...YARDS....TD...INT...Rate...Record
Namath....50.1%.....27,663...173...220....65.5....62-63-4
Gabriel.....52.6%.....29,444...201...149....74.3....86-64-7
Posted on 12/21/12 at 8:15 pm to SPEEDY
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Well then, let's compare him to a QB from his era that isn't in the Hall, Roman Gabriel. Gabriel actually retired the same year that Namath did), (He came into the league in 1962, 3 years before Namath did)
Career Numbers:
.............COMP%...YARDS....TD...INT...Rate...Record
Namath....50.1%.....27,663...173...220....65.5....62-63-4
Gabriel.....52.6%.....29,444...201...149....74.3....86-64-7
Solid post
And FWIW - I don't think Namath should necessarily be in the Hall of Fame for his accomplishments as a starting QB but I think his guarantee and Super Bowl win should be featured there... and given his reputation as a womanizer maybe a bronze cast of his cock and balls should be hung in the Playboy Mansion.
Posted on 12/21/12 at 10:30 pm to Maximus
Brocklin was pretty prolific passer as well.
Posted on 12/21/12 at 10:35 pm to DelU249
BS. I would put Rozelle AND Davis over Tagliabue.
Davis made pro football a truly national sport. Before the AFL, the NFL was confined to the Midwest, Northeast, and LA. SUddenly competition changed things. Rozelle rode the wave and also took advantage of tv.
Davis made pro football a truly national sport. Before the AFL, the NFL was confined to the Midwest, Northeast, and LA. SUddenly competition changed things. Rozelle rode the wave and also took advantage of tv.
Posted on 12/21/12 at 11:33 pm to prplhze2000
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Davis made pro football a truly national sport. Before the AFL, the NFL was confined to the Midwest, Northeast, and LA. SUddenly competition changed things
so you mean Lamar Hunt
Posted on 12/22/12 at 1:42 am to Kafka
Namath is the most OVERRATED player in history...he threw 47 more pics than TD, hurt his team by having no mobility and had a career 65 passer rating. With Gabriel, etc...the Jets make the playoffs 5+ times during his career, not twice!
The question was about being overrated!
The question was about being overrated!
Posted on 12/22/12 at 2:14 am to prplhze2000
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BS. I would put Rozelle AND Davis over Tagliabue.
Davis made pro football a truly national sport. Before the AFL, the NFL was confined to the Midwest, Northeast, and LA. SUddenly competition changed things. Rozelle rode the wave and also took advantage of tv.
First of all, Lamar hunt was the man who deserves the most credit as far as the AFL is concerned. Rozelle was great, but Tags is the reason it's a $9 billion industry. Look at where it was when he started and when he left.
Posted on 12/22/12 at 2:14 am to prplhze2000
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Brocklin was pretty prolific passer as well.
You think?
Posted on 12/22/12 at 5:18 am to Maximus
Two other QBs threw for 5000 when Stafford did. Terrible argument. Also, who was Namath's all world WR?
And true football fans who who Daryl The Mad Bomber was.
Anyway, the answer to the OP is Troy Aikman.
And true football fans who who Daryl The Mad Bomber was.
Anyway, the answer to the OP is Troy Aikman.
Posted on 12/22/12 at 8:38 am to Roaad
quote:
Who overrates Namath?
Posted on 12/22/12 at 8:43 am to Sophandros
Aikman is pretty fricking overrated
Posted on 12/22/12 at 8:44 am to Dire Wolf
Terry Bradshaw
Posted on 12/22/12 at 8:48 am to Bench McElroy
quote:except Bradshaw had the best supporting cast EVER. Eli>>> Bradshaw, and I am not a fan of Eli
Eli Manning is probably a better comparison for Bradshaw. Bradshaw and Manning are both clutch as hell and great in big games but also have a lot of games when they looked really mediocre and absolutely worthless at times
Posted on 12/22/12 at 8:52 am to RollTide1987
quote:did Dan Marino? Super Bowls should not be the deciding factor in what makes a great QB. sometimes great players just play for shitty teams, and sometimes average QB's are handed the keys to a ferrarri
Did Lamonica ever win a Super Bowl?
Posted on 12/22/12 at 11:47 am to Dire Wolf
John Elway
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