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Posted on 10/28/08 at 9:24 pm to Rocket
Don't get me wrong. Texas has a better defense than LSU and Texas is a much better team overall. I shouldn't even mention LSU when discussing this. I'm saying their are more complete teams out there than Texas such as USC and Florida.
This post was edited on 10/28/08 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 10/28/08 at 9:27 pm to ctiger69
Yeah, UF and USC are really good this year.
Posted on 10/28/08 at 9:29 pm to ctiger69
quote:
Don't get me wrong. Texas has a better defense than LSU and Texas is a much better team overall. I shouldn't even mention LSU when discussing this. I'm saying their are more complete teams out there than Texas such as USC and Florida.
except USC's offense has been putrid at times and Florida has been really erratic except for too great games against suspect LSU and UK teams
Posted on 10/28/08 at 9:33 pm to Esarhaddon
we he held Arky to their lowest O all year... a good bit below that of other great SEC D's
Posted on 10/28/08 at 9:35 pm to Rocket
quote:
Yeah, UF and USC are really good this year.
yet both have a loss against eaiser schedules so far, Florida's will be better by year end.
Posted on 10/28/08 at 9:37 pm to H-Town Tiger
Easier schedules than who?
Posted on 10/28/08 at 9:43 pm to CoonassatTEXAS
quote:
a good bit below that of other great SEC D's
SEC D's aren't that great this year outside of Alabama and maybe Florida or South Carolina
Posted on 10/28/08 at 10:28 pm to ctiger69
quote:
Missouri torched Texas's defense for 400 yards of offense and over 30 points. I would say Florida would beat Texas if they played. Florida is the more complete team.
Basically, the Big 12 has turned into the Pac 10 (except USC) in which they are all offense and no defense.
You do realize that Mizzou had 3 points at the half, trailed 35-3 I think? They scored a ton of points in garbage time...
Posted on 10/28/08 at 11:28 pm to Rocket
quote:
Easier schedules than who
USC and Florida have had easier schedules thus far than Texas.
Posted on 10/28/08 at 11:49 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:
USC and Florida have had easier schedules thus far than Texas
boom
Posted on 10/29/08 at 1:33 am to H-Town Tiger
Perhaps but UF and USC are still good teams.
It'll be a helluva matchup if Texas plays one of them.
It'll be a helluva matchup if Texas plays one of them.
Posted on 10/29/08 at 2:23 am to Esarhaddon
Putrid to the tune of 13th in nation
Posted on 10/29/08 at 3:36 am to Hedonist
Both Texas and Oklahoma compete with SEC elites when it comes to recruiting top-notch talent.
From research on recruiting classes I've compiled so far, based on average star rankings of recruits:
1) Per Scout...
TEXAS
2002 - 3.57 (#6 in nation)
2003 - 3.33 (#9 in nation)
2004 - 3.24 (#9 in nation) -- 5th year seniors
2005 - 3.79 (#4 in nation) -- true seniors
2006 - 3.72 (#3 in nation) -- true juniors
2007 - 3.84 (#4 in nation) -- true sophomores
2008 - 3.70 (#6 in nation) -- true freshmen
OKLAHOMA
2002 - 3.75 (#2 in nation)
2003 - 3.60 (#3 in nation)
2004 - 3.47 (#2 in nation) -- 5th year seniors
2005 - 3.50 (#12 in nation) -- true seniors
2006 - 3.36 (#12 in nation) -- true juniors
2007 - 3.15 (#20 in nation) -- true sophomores
2008 - 3.76 (#4 in nation) -- true freshmen
LSU
2003 - 3.67 (#2)
2004 - 3.38 (#4)
2005 - 3.69 (#8)
2006 - 3.44 (#9)
2007 - 3.88 (#3)
Florida
2005 -- 3.78 (#5)
2006 -- 3.85 (#2)
2007 -- 4.22 (#2)
Georgia
2005 -- 3.84 (#2)
2006 -- 3.63 (#4)
2007 -- 3.39 (#13)
Compare to, say:
Texas Tech
2005 -- 2.67 (#32)
2006 -- 2.85 (#26)
2007 -- 2.56 (#48)
Missouri
2005 -- 2.65 (#38)
2006 -- 2.43 (#48)
2007 -- 2.62 (#45)
Oklahoma State
2005 -- 2.14 (#63)
2006 -- 3.17 (#23)
2007 -- 3.14 (#21)
Southern Cal
2005 -- 4.25 (#1)
2006 -- 4.17 (#1)
2007 -- 4.39 (#1)
Tenn
2005 -- 3.63 (#10)
2006 -- 3.14 (#24)
2007 -- 3.63 (#10)
Auburn
2005 -- 3.05 (#17)
2006 -- 3.40 (#11)
2007 -- 3.30 (#17)
South Carolina
2005 -- 2.79 (#28)
2006 -- 2.79 (#28)
2007 -- 3.35 (#15)
Arkansas
2005 -- 2.67 (#32)
2006 -- 2.65 (#35)
2005 -- 2.78 (#39)
Ole Miss
2005 -- 2.50 (#46)
2006 -- 3.20 (#20)
2007 -- 3.14 (#21)
Miss State
2005 -- 2.43 (#51)
2006 -- 2.54 (#43)
2007 -- 2.71 (#43)
Kentucky
2005 -- 2.15 (#61)
2006 -- 2.57 (#40)
2007 -- 2.30 (#63)
Vanderbilt
2005 -- 2.04 (#71)
2006 -- 2.12 (#73)
2007 -- 2.36 (#56)
------------------------
2) Per Rivals...
TEXAS
2002 - 3.89 (OU had 3.79)
2003 - 3.72 (OU had 3.58)
2004 - 3.50 (OU had 3.72) -- 5th year seniors
2005 - 3.60 (OU had 3.63) -- true seniors
2006 - 3.60 (OU had 3.54) -- true juniors
2007 - 3.79 (OU had 3.38) -- true sophomores
2008 - 3.55 (OU had 3.81) -- true freshmen
OKLAHOMA
2002 - 3.79
2003 - 3.58
2004 - 3.72 -- 5th year seniors
2005 - 3.63 -- true seniors
2006 - 3.54 -- true juniors
2007 - 3.38 -- true sophomores
2008 - 3.81 -- true freshmen
LSU
2008 = 3.58 stars per player. (9th in nation)
2007 = 3.88 stars per player. (3rd in nation)
2006 = 3.64 stars per player. (4th in nation)
2005 = 3.69 stars per player. (4th in nation)
2004 = 3.54 stars per player. (6th in nation)
2003 = 3.68 stars per player. (3rd in nation)
FLORIDA
2008 = 3.82 stars per player. (4th in nation)
2007 = 3.89 stars per player. (2nd in nation)
2006 = 3.89 stars per player. (2nd in nation)
2005 = 3.39 stars per player. (11th in nation)
2004 = 3.52 stars per player. (7th in nation)
2003 = 3.65 stars per player. (4th in nation)
GEORGIA
2008 = 3.67 stars per player. (7th in nation)
2007 = 3.48 stars per player. (8th in nation)
2006 = 3.64 stars per player. (4th in nation)
2005 = 3.58 stars per player. (8th in nation)
2004 = 3.57 stars per player. (5th in nation)
2003 = 3.40 stars per player. (10th in nation)
Compare to, say:
Alabama
2009 - 3.56 (#9 in nation -- so far)
2008 - 3.72 (#6 in nation)
2007 - 3.28 (#15 in nation)
2006 - 3.61 (#8 in nation)
2005 - 3.03 (#23 in nation)
2004 - 2.89 (#18 in nation)
2003 - 3.06 (#22 in nation)
2002 - 3.20 (#20 in nation)
TENNESSEE
2008 = 3.06 stars per player.
2007 = 3.63 stars per player. (7th in nation)
2006 = 3.09 stars per player.
2005 = 3.63 stars per player. (5th in nation)
2004 = 3.25 stars per player. (10th in nation)
2003 = 3.27 stars per player. (12th in nation)
AUBURN
2008 = 3.03 stars per player.
2007 = 3.37 stars per player. (12th in nation)
2006 = 3.52 stars per player. (12th in nation)
2005 = 3.19 stars per player. (16th in nation)
2004 = 2.67 stars per player.
2003 = 3.23 stars per player. (14th in nation)
2002 = 3.21 stars per player.
SOUTH CAROLINA
2008 = 3.18 stars per player.
2007 = 3.42 stars per player. (9th in nation)
2006 = 3.08 stars per player.
MISS STATE
2008 = 2.56 stars per player.
2007 = 2.62 stars per player.
2006 = 2.67 stars per player.
2005 = 2.56 stars per player.
2004 = 2.23 stars per player.
2003 = 3.07 stars per player (21st in nation)
2002 = 2.90 stars per player.
OLE MISS
2008 = 2.71 stars per player.
2007 = 3.09 stars per player.
2006 = 3.17 stars per player (20th in nation)
2005 = 2.56 stars per player.
2004 = 2.71 stars per player.
2003 = 2.78 stars per player.
2002 = 3.44 stars per player.
ARKANSAS
2008 = 2.88 stars per player.
2007 = 2.93 stars per player.
2006 = 2.96 stars per player.
2005 = 3.00 stars per player.
2004 = 2.67 stars per player.
2003 = 2.80 stars per player.
2002 = 3.04 stars per player.
From research on recruiting classes I've compiled so far, based on average star rankings of recruits:
1) Per Scout...
TEXAS
2002 - 3.57 (#6 in nation)
2003 - 3.33 (#9 in nation)
2004 - 3.24 (#9 in nation) -- 5th year seniors
2005 - 3.79 (#4 in nation) -- true seniors
2006 - 3.72 (#3 in nation) -- true juniors
2007 - 3.84 (#4 in nation) -- true sophomores
2008 - 3.70 (#6 in nation) -- true freshmen
OKLAHOMA
2002 - 3.75 (#2 in nation)
2003 - 3.60 (#3 in nation)
2004 - 3.47 (#2 in nation) -- 5th year seniors
2005 - 3.50 (#12 in nation) -- true seniors
2006 - 3.36 (#12 in nation) -- true juniors
2007 - 3.15 (#20 in nation) -- true sophomores
2008 - 3.76 (#4 in nation) -- true freshmen
LSU
2003 - 3.67 (#2)
2004 - 3.38 (#4)
2005 - 3.69 (#8)
2006 - 3.44 (#9)
2007 - 3.88 (#3)
Florida
2005 -- 3.78 (#5)
2006 -- 3.85 (#2)
2007 -- 4.22 (#2)
Georgia
2005 -- 3.84 (#2)
2006 -- 3.63 (#4)
2007 -- 3.39 (#13)
Compare to, say:
Texas Tech
2005 -- 2.67 (#32)
2006 -- 2.85 (#26)
2007 -- 2.56 (#48)
Missouri
2005 -- 2.65 (#38)
2006 -- 2.43 (#48)
2007 -- 2.62 (#45)
Oklahoma State
2005 -- 2.14 (#63)
2006 -- 3.17 (#23)
2007 -- 3.14 (#21)
Southern Cal
2005 -- 4.25 (#1)
2006 -- 4.17 (#1)
2007 -- 4.39 (#1)
Tenn
2005 -- 3.63 (#10)
2006 -- 3.14 (#24)
2007 -- 3.63 (#10)
Auburn
2005 -- 3.05 (#17)
2006 -- 3.40 (#11)
2007 -- 3.30 (#17)
South Carolina
2005 -- 2.79 (#28)
2006 -- 2.79 (#28)
2007 -- 3.35 (#15)
Arkansas
2005 -- 2.67 (#32)
2006 -- 2.65 (#35)
2005 -- 2.78 (#39)
Ole Miss
2005 -- 2.50 (#46)
2006 -- 3.20 (#20)
2007 -- 3.14 (#21)
Miss State
2005 -- 2.43 (#51)
2006 -- 2.54 (#43)
2007 -- 2.71 (#43)
Kentucky
2005 -- 2.15 (#61)
2006 -- 2.57 (#40)
2007 -- 2.30 (#63)
Vanderbilt
2005 -- 2.04 (#71)
2006 -- 2.12 (#73)
2007 -- 2.36 (#56)
------------------------
2) Per Rivals...
TEXAS
2002 - 3.89 (OU had 3.79)
2003 - 3.72 (OU had 3.58)
2004 - 3.50 (OU had 3.72) -- 5th year seniors
2005 - 3.60 (OU had 3.63) -- true seniors
2006 - 3.60 (OU had 3.54) -- true juniors
2007 - 3.79 (OU had 3.38) -- true sophomores
2008 - 3.55 (OU had 3.81) -- true freshmen
OKLAHOMA
2002 - 3.79
2003 - 3.58
2004 - 3.72 -- 5th year seniors
2005 - 3.63 -- true seniors
2006 - 3.54 -- true juniors
2007 - 3.38 -- true sophomores
2008 - 3.81 -- true freshmen
LSU
2008 = 3.58 stars per player. (9th in nation)
2007 = 3.88 stars per player. (3rd in nation)
2006 = 3.64 stars per player. (4th in nation)
2005 = 3.69 stars per player. (4th in nation)
2004 = 3.54 stars per player. (6th in nation)
2003 = 3.68 stars per player. (3rd in nation)
FLORIDA
2008 = 3.82 stars per player. (4th in nation)
2007 = 3.89 stars per player. (2nd in nation)
2006 = 3.89 stars per player. (2nd in nation)
2005 = 3.39 stars per player. (11th in nation)
2004 = 3.52 stars per player. (7th in nation)
2003 = 3.65 stars per player. (4th in nation)
GEORGIA
2008 = 3.67 stars per player. (7th in nation)
2007 = 3.48 stars per player. (8th in nation)
2006 = 3.64 stars per player. (4th in nation)
2005 = 3.58 stars per player. (8th in nation)
2004 = 3.57 stars per player. (5th in nation)
2003 = 3.40 stars per player. (10th in nation)
Compare to, say:
Alabama
2009 - 3.56 (#9 in nation -- so far)
2008 - 3.72 (#6 in nation)
2007 - 3.28 (#15 in nation)
2006 - 3.61 (#8 in nation)
2005 - 3.03 (#23 in nation)
2004 - 2.89 (#18 in nation)
2003 - 3.06 (#22 in nation)
2002 - 3.20 (#20 in nation)
TENNESSEE
2008 = 3.06 stars per player.
2007 = 3.63 stars per player. (7th in nation)
2006 = 3.09 stars per player.
2005 = 3.63 stars per player. (5th in nation)
2004 = 3.25 stars per player. (10th in nation)
2003 = 3.27 stars per player. (12th in nation)
AUBURN
2008 = 3.03 stars per player.
2007 = 3.37 stars per player. (12th in nation)
2006 = 3.52 stars per player. (12th in nation)
2005 = 3.19 stars per player. (16th in nation)
2004 = 2.67 stars per player.
2003 = 3.23 stars per player. (14th in nation)
2002 = 3.21 stars per player.
SOUTH CAROLINA
2008 = 3.18 stars per player.
2007 = 3.42 stars per player. (9th in nation)
2006 = 3.08 stars per player.
MISS STATE
2008 = 2.56 stars per player.
2007 = 2.62 stars per player.
2006 = 2.67 stars per player.
2005 = 2.56 stars per player.
2004 = 2.23 stars per player.
2003 = 3.07 stars per player (21st in nation)
2002 = 2.90 stars per player.
OLE MISS
2008 = 2.71 stars per player.
2007 = 3.09 stars per player.
2006 = 3.17 stars per player (20th in nation)
2005 = 2.56 stars per player.
2004 = 2.71 stars per player.
2003 = 2.78 stars per player.
2002 = 3.44 stars per player.
ARKANSAS
2008 = 2.88 stars per player.
2007 = 2.93 stars per player.
2006 = 2.96 stars per player.
2005 = 3.00 stars per player.
2004 = 2.67 stars per player.
2003 = 2.80 stars per player.
2002 = 3.04 stars per player.
This post was edited on 10/29/08 at 3:53 am
Posted on 10/29/08 at 7:43 am to Rocket
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Perhaps but UF and USC are still good teams.
I've said and still believe UF and USC are the 2 most talented aka best teams in CFB, but Texas is right there. As for the schedule Texas has played 3 strait games vs. good teams that have 4 total losses, 3 of those losses are to Texas and the other is Ok St over Mo. So 0 losses outside of games against each other and Texas.
Posted on 10/29/08 at 8:06 am to H-Town Tiger
Texas is a great team, but the defense in the big XII is still weak. I'm not trying to say its better or worse than a specific conference, just weak in general. The Big XII has 5 of the top 6 rated passers yet i doubt they have 5 of the top 6 QB's in the nation.
Posted on 10/29/08 at 3:17 pm to ctiger69
Hey dumbass did you see the Missouri game? I was there, it was 35-3 at the half. The game was over then and yeah Texas may not have the best defense but they played different in the 2nd half and not as aggressive. You make it sound like Chase Daniel threw all over them. Stick to Hornets basketball.
Posted on 10/29/08 at 3:23 pm to Hedonist
quote:
Putrid to the tune of 13th in nation
did you watch their game against Arizona last week? They have been good at times, but are still erratic.
Posted on 10/29/08 at 4:18 pm to Rocket
quote:if you take out the 21 scored off turnovers 22.8 per game
LSU has played 7 games, is ranked #68 in scoring defense, has given up 22 TD's, averaging giving up 25.9 points/game, and has surrendered 181 points on the year.
Posted on 10/29/08 at 4:21 pm to Bucky Goldstein
quote:
Ok, here me out.
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