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re: The NBA is ruining Zion
Posted on 2/17/21 at 2:37 pm to VerlanderBEAST
Posted on 2/17/21 at 2:37 pm to VerlanderBEAST
quote:Luka averages more RPG and controls far more of the offense. There's really no excuse for Zion not to be grabbing 10 rebounds per game. I think he's great but right now he's a one note player.
Why do you think initiating the offense prevents someone from rebounding?
because that is what Zion is putting his energy towards
All that's to say who cares right now? He's 20 years old and isn't close to a finished product.
This post was edited on 2/17/21 at 2:40 pm
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Posted on 2/17/21 at 2:44 pm to UMRealist
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Luka averages more RPG and controls far more of the offense. There's really no excuse for Zion not to be grabbing 10 rebounds per game. I think he's great but right now he's a one note player.
All that's to say who cares right now? He's 20 years old and isn't close to a finished product.
The Pelicans have the 2nd best rebounding team in the entire NBA. They have other guys, especially Steven Adams and Josh Hart, that just gobble up rebounds and it is part of their role. That isn't Zion's role.
Another thing is that Zion is so ridiculously hyper efficient, that he doesn't miss many shots around the rim. That gives him less opportunities to rebound his own miss (which he still does frequently).
Last, on Defense, teams have been having the guy Zion is guarding very very frequently drawing Zion away from the rim and onto the perimeter.
There is context.
And what he is doing offensively is totally ridiculous. There's literally no comparison in the modern NBA for what he is doing.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 2:46 pm to Fun Bunch
There's literally no comparison in the modern NBA for what he is doing.
Hey whoa, it's not like he's scored more points in his first 50 games than any active player in the league...oh wait.
Hey whoa, it's not like he's scored more points in his first 50 games than any active player in the league...oh wait.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 2:47 pm to UMRealist
Here is the thing. In today’s nba the offense isn’t even trying to get rebounds. Offensive rebounding is way down.. all time low.. teams would rather get back on D. Almost all rebounds are “uncontested”. like when russ was with okc, he was the star player, and wanted his triple double, so the team allowed him to get all the defensive rebounds when anyone on the team could have gotten them for the most part. Luka is in many ways in the same boat. Dallas wants luka to put up monster numbers. And they also want him bringing the ball up court. It is van Gundy coaching decision to not have Zion grab defensive rebounds. But instead let someone else clean them up while Z heads the other way. A defensive rebound has never held less value than today.
This post was edited on 2/17/21 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 2/17/21 at 2:47 pm to UMRealist
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This post was edited on 2/17/21 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 2/17/21 at 2:50 pm to Boomshockalocka
Zion's got a long ways to go to get on CWood's level still, right Boom?
Posted on 2/17/21 at 2:53 pm to shel311
Christian wood has a better fg% at the rim (leads the whole nba) and he is much better from 3. Zion is years away from shooting 40% on 5 attempts. If he ever gets there. He likely wont. Also wood anchors a top 5 D.
before wood got hurt he was pretty clearly outperforming not only Zion, but BI too.
before wood got hurt he was pretty clearly outperforming not only Zion, but BI too.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 3:00 pm to Boomshockalocka
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before wood got hurt he was pretty clearly outperforming not only Zion
lower VORP, lower w/s per 48, less points, less assists, lower FG%, lower TS%, lower FT%, lower PER, lower BPM
pretty clearly!
Posted on 2/17/21 at 3:03 pm to NawlinsTiger9
Wood was ahead at all of those stats when he got hurt. Expect for maybe assists. Zion has had a good run since Chris got hurt., but if you saw Chris play you know he was Improving each game at a rate better than zions even. Remember, Zion has more starts than wood. So it is safe today that if he had 6 games more of stats he would be right where he was before he got hurt (ie outplaying Zion)
Posted on 2/17/21 at 3:08 pm to Boomshockalocka
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Christian wood has a better fg% at the rim (leads the whole nba) and he is much better from 3.
He is much better from 3.
He also isn't double or triple teamed down low and still that efficient.
quote:
Zion is years away from shooting 40% on 5 attempts.
True. Wood has about 5 years on him, so unless Zion becomes stagnant in his development he'll get there at some point. He's still developing other parts of his game (passing and running the point) and is better than Wood
quote:
Also wood anchors a top 5 D.
Wood is doing well defensively, but he's missed 10 games so far. That's more than a 1/3 of the season and they haven't missed a beat defensively (offensively they have). Tells me its more than just Wood
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before wood got hurt he was pretty clearly outperforming not only Zion, but BI too.
oh he had performed very well. He is literally turning into AD's 3rd-4th season (except AD was still a better defender while Wood is a clearly better 3pt shooter) which was a top 10 player in the league at that time.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 3:23 pm to UMRealist
quote:there is no precedent for someone rebounding as little as Zion is even in just 50 games and then turnig in to a guy who leads the NBA which is what Zion is supposed to become
All that's to say who cares right now? He's 20 years old and isn't close to a finished product.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 3:23 pm to htran90
Wood is great at running the point. There has been more than a few times where he grabs the rebound/takes the ball up court and then dunks on someone.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 3:27 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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there is no precedent for someone rebounding as little as Zion is even in just 50 games and then turnig in to a guy who leads the NBA which is what Zion is supposed to become
Who gives a frick.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 3:28 pm to VerlanderBEAST
It's hilarious that your pea sized brain is so stuck on rebounding.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 3:30 pm to Boomshockalocka
Hey Boomie.
Let's say there is a league wide redraft tomorrow and every team is starting from scratch. You got Zion and Wood available to you.
Who are you taking first?
Let's say there is a league wide redraft tomorrow and every team is starting from scratch. You got Zion and Wood available to you.
Who are you taking first?
Posted on 2/17/21 at 3:32 pm to Fun Bunch
I am not playing the “who do you start a team with game”. I have never gotten into that one. I am playing the “who was playing better this year before Injury” game.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 3:40 pm to Boomshockalocka
Posted on 2/17/21 at 3:47 pm to Fun Bunch
That stipulation is always used a crutch. “If we starting a team now” that conversation really is somehting I had never wanted to get into. It is like a consolation prize. Hey we ain’t all that great now, but one day, a few years down the road we might be.
Yea.. not for me.
I remember the GM poll where for 2-3 years in a row, the GMs said if I was starting a team I would go with Karl Anthony towns. Yea you see how those things work out.
Yea.. not for me.
I remember the GM poll where for 2-3 years in a row, the GMs said if I was starting a team I would go with Karl Anthony towns. Yea you see how those things work out.
This post was edited on 2/17/21 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 2/17/21 at 3:57 pm to Boomshockalocka
It's pretty clear to everyone now that Chris wood is a good player that's had a nice 17 game stretch.
And that Zion is clearly better.
And that Zion is clearly better.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 6:21 pm to VerlanderBEAST
quote:
there is no precedent for someone rebounding as little as Zion is even in just 50 games and then turnig in to a guy who leads the NBA which is what Zion is supposed to become
Just caught wind of this thread, jesus you are a fricking moron.
Zion turning into a unicorn that can run point while being the most dominant interior player in the league being a negative?
There also isn’t much precedent for a guy coming into the league and out performing Shaq’s first 50 games in points scored and efficiency in the paint. But Zion’s doing it
You worried about his rebounding? Let’s give it a couple seasons when the team is actively funneling rebounds too him, he’ll get your rather meaningless stats you want to dig to hate on him then
This post was edited on 2/17/21 at 6:21 pm
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