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Posted on 11/21/13 at 1:32 pm to
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 1:32 pm to
yeah, if you believe the patriots won championships because they were commiting a small illegality that every team up to that point had been doing, then you're fricking stupid.
Posted by craigbiggio
Member since Dec 2009
31805 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 1:34 pm to
Not to mention they've mad the playoffs every year but one since their last SB win, with two SB appearances.
Posted by sugar71
NOLA
Member since Jun 2012
9967 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 1:34 pm to
quote:

Walsh innovated the west coast, true


False. Paul Brown 'innovated' the offense Walsh ran decades earlier.


Rule changes beginning in the late 70's with the Mel Blount rule (not allowing receivers being touched beyond 5 yards) . & offensive linemen being able to extend arms & literally 'hold' defensive lineman made it even more potent for Walsh beginning in 1980.


NFL rule changes are far more responsible for the potency of this 'new' West Coast offense (old Paul Brown short passing game) than innovative or coaching offensive brilliance ..

Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 1:42 pm to
even better...

I think Bill created a new model, and not one easy to replicate because you have to have the right person, for how to run an NFL team.

I don't think a single detail goes unnoticed. He is incredible.
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
44345 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 1:48 pm to
top 5
Posted by Tiger Ryno
#WoF
Member since Feb 2007
107611 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 2:11 pm to
False. I don't think he could been successful in the old NFL, while I think guys like Lombardi, Walsh, Jimmy Johnson, Parcells could be successful in any era.
Posted by Majin Buu
Member since Nov 2013
1200 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 2:15 pm to
That doesn't make any sense because it's a lot harder being successful now in this age of parity than it ever was before.
Posted by F machine
Member since Jun 2009
11886 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 2:15 pm to
I say Walsh but there is something about this thread I'm wondering. I see people saying Vince Lombardi. I'm not even disagreeing because the only thing I know about him is that he won the first 2 SB's, but I bet most of the people saying Lombardi are in the same boat I am. They don't know that much about him are just saying it because he's a legend.
Posted by CajunBandit
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2010
2952 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 2:37 pm to
False
Posted by GumBro Jackson
Raleigh
Member since Mar 2011
3141 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 2:37 pm to
I just don't think it is possible to meaningfully compare coaches across vastly different eras.

How do compare BB to someone like George Halas who was a co-founder of the NFL and coached teams that won 7 championships and won over 300 games? Supposedly the first coach to hold daily practice and study film.

It is just apples and oranges, but personally I would say someone like Halas had far more impact.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
115678 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 2:48 pm to
quote:

False


Posted by QJenk
Atl, Ga
Member since Jan 2013
17340 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 2:50 pm to
Best coach of my era no doubt. the best coach of all time is debatable. But regardless belicheck is in that argument, he is top 5 I think everyone can agree on that
This post was edited on 11/21/13 at 3:12 pm
Posted by SpartyGator
Detroit Lions fan
Member since Oct 2011
82454 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 2:51 pm to
False
Posted by SpartyGator
Detroit Lions fan
Member since Oct 2011
82454 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 2:53 pm to
quote:

Best coach of my era no doubt. ?the best coach off all time is debatable. But regardless belicheck is in that argument, he is top 5 I think everyone can agree on that

Posted by MountainTiger
The foot of Mt. Belzoni
Member since Dec 2008
14921 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 2:53 pm to
It will be true when he retires.

ps, your avi of St. PJ is cracking me up.
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 2:57 pm to
lombardi won a shitload of championships in addition to his two super bowls and easily had the most dominant team in that era...

When it comes down to the two, I think BB's style and organizational skills translate to any era...I think Lombardi would have a hard time getting players of this era to follow him.

I encourage anyone to watch the documentary from a couple of years ago where they followed BB around for the season...it's hard not to come away admiring him. Sean Payton has been pretty open over the years about emulating what BB has done in NE.
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
77988 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 2:58 pm to
False
Posted by F machine
Member since Jun 2009
11886 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 3:08 pm to
quote:

lombardi won a shitload of championships in addition to his two super bowls and easily had the most dominant team in that era...



I'm not saying he didn't. Like I said, I really only know a few things about him. I would be willing to bet most, not all, people in this thread saying Lombardi are saying it just because they heard it on tv or something. That's all I was trying to say.
Posted by JohnZeroQ
Pelicans of Lafourche
Member since Jan 2012
8535 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 3:08 pm to
False
Posted by LSUgators
Barves,Steelers, NUFC, Gators,LSU
Member since Oct 2008
1202 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 3:09 pm to
Just going to point out that the Patriots' last Super Bowl win was a whole decade ago.
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