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re: What was your favorite ESPN 30 for 30?
Posted on 7/19/11 at 10:51 am to Baloo
Posted on 7/19/11 at 10:51 am to Baloo
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can't believe how much love The U doc is getting
I commented on this before, was it entertaining, very much. But they didn't tell the entire story, and Butch Davis built a team that would have beaten all of the 80s/early 90s teams, but just because he did it the right way they want to bash him.
I do not have this in my top 5.
This post was edited on 7/19/11 at 10:53 am
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Posted on 7/19/11 at 1:25 pm to OweO
The ones I loved are really hard to rank because there're a lot of them:
1. The Two Escobars
2. Once Brothers
3. Muhammad and Larry/June 17, 1994
5. The Best that Never Was/Without Bias
7. Small Potatoes: Who Killed the USFL
8. Reggie Miller vs. the Knicks
9. The Band that Wouldn't Die
10. Jimmy the Greek
11. Pony Excess
Most disappointing (biggest disparity between potential and output): No Crossover (Allen Iverson)
The U is easily the most overrated because it always gets a lot of mentioned in these threads and it just wasn't that good. It could've been great. It was entertaining. But it was really sloppily done. It only told one side. It left a lot of information that would've really complimented U side out. How do you have a documentary about the U without interviewing anyone with an opposing viewpoint? How is there no Bobby Bowden in the documentary. How do you glorify even the seedy elements without any cautionary statements about the dangers involved? It was all just a slipshod puff piece IMHO.
Worst ones that I thought might be good but sucked:
One Night in Vegas
Straight Outta LA
4 Nights in October
All of these should've been fascinating but were terrible. One Night in Vegas was incredibly boring and those stupid poets were just annoying. I watched Straight Outta LA thinking it'd be about the Raiders and I got a poorly-produced piece of self-aggrandizing shite from Ice Cube complete with cheesy animation and Cube and Snoop taking a romantic stroll around the coliseum waxing poetic about how awesome and important they are for about 15 minutes of the show. The Red Sox one should've been fascinating but it brought nothing to the table. It was just boring.
1. The Two Escobars
2. Once Brothers
3. Muhammad and Larry/June 17, 1994
5. The Best that Never Was/Without Bias
7. Small Potatoes: Who Killed the USFL
8. Reggie Miller vs. the Knicks
9. The Band that Wouldn't Die
10. Jimmy the Greek
11. Pony Excess
Most disappointing (biggest disparity between potential and output): No Crossover (Allen Iverson)
The U is easily the most overrated because it always gets a lot of mentioned in these threads and it just wasn't that good. It could've been great. It was entertaining. But it was really sloppily done. It only told one side. It left a lot of information that would've really complimented U side out. How do you have a documentary about the U without interviewing anyone with an opposing viewpoint? How is there no Bobby Bowden in the documentary. How do you glorify even the seedy elements without any cautionary statements about the dangers involved? It was all just a slipshod puff piece IMHO.
Worst ones that I thought might be good but sucked:
One Night in Vegas
Straight Outta LA
4 Nights in October
All of these should've been fascinating but were terrible. One Night in Vegas was incredibly boring and those stupid poets were just annoying. I watched Straight Outta LA thinking it'd be about the Raiders and I got a poorly-produced piece of self-aggrandizing shite from Ice Cube complete with cheesy animation and Cube and Snoop taking a romantic stroll around the coliseum waxing poetic about how awesome and important they are for about 15 minutes of the show. The Red Sox one should've been fascinating but it brought nothing to the table. It was just boring.
Posted on 7/19/11 at 1:34 pm to Jamohn
Pony Excess and The U easily are my favorites. There's a bunch of others I enjoyed though...USFL, Colts band, Without Bias, Run Ricky Run, etc.
Posted on 7/19/11 at 1:35 pm to Jamohn
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How do you glorify even the seedy elements without any cautionary statements about the dangers involved?
They did the same with Cocaine Cowboys. Glorified the violence of the dope trade.
Posted on 7/19/11 at 1:42 pm to Jamohn
In order...
The Best that Never Was
Pony Excess
The Band that Wouldn't Die
The U was entertaining, but I thought it was too celebratory of the douchebaggery of some of those Miami teams. IMO Pony Excess did a better job of criticizing the conduct of SMU's program.
The Best that Never Was
Pony Excess
The Band that Wouldn't Die
The U was entertaining, but I thought it was too celebratory of the douchebaggery of some of those Miami teams. IMO Pony Excess did a better job of criticizing the conduct of SMU's program.
Posted on 7/19/11 at 1:50 pm to Baloo
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I can't believe how much love The U doc is getting, as I thought it was one of the worst ones, and contrary to the whole concept of 30 for 30. It's a friggin' fan video that simply glosses over or explains away everything that isn't 100% positive about the Canes. I mean, it never even touches on Miami's struggles away from the state of Florida, the big knock on the program in the 80s. Or the Maryland comeback. It's all just "look what rebels we were!" with no sense of cotnext.
exactly
Posted on 7/19/11 at 1:50 pm to Escobar600
quote:In a way. But that was about a criminal enterprise. If we want to call the University of Miami a criminal enterprise, we could, but they might not like it too much.
They did the same with Cocaine Cowboys. Glorified the violence of the dope trade.
I was just frustrated by "The U" because it was a total puff piece. It would be like a whole documentary about how awesome SMU football was and every player who got payed was like "yeah, I got payed, we were awesome and everybody was jealous, suck it hatas!!" while throwing up some cheesy SMU gang sign. But we see how a good documentary is done (Pony Excess) versus an amateurish one (The U).
Posted on 7/19/11 at 2:04 pm to Jamohn
Or contrast it with the Two Escobars, the absolute pinnacle of this series. They do a great job of exposing the corruption surrounding the team while also absolving some of the players of blame and showing how great a team that was. It was able to show all sides of the team, not just the underbelly or the facade.
there is a great documentary to be made about the 80s Canes. They are a fascinating team, but give us more than the sizzle. I want the steak.
there is a great documentary to be made about the 80s Canes. They are a fascinating team, but give us more than the sizzle. I want the steak.
Posted on 7/19/11 at 2:08 pm to Escobar600
And Cocaine Cowboys is arguably the most hard-hitting movie from Billy Corben. I am genuinely surprised that he isn't directing music videos for Rick Ross yet.
Posted on 7/19/11 at 2:09 pm to Baloo
The Two Escobars was so great because it delved into how screwed up Colombia was and how what us Americans barely cared about, was the whole entire world to them. I was completely sucked into the documentary, time flew by. Very very well done.
Posted on 7/19/11 at 2:27 pm to Baloo
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It's a friggin' fan video that simply glosses over or explains away everything that isn't 100% positive about the Canes. I mean, it never even touches on Miami's struggles away from the state of Florida, the big knock on the program in the 80s. Or the Maryland comeback. It's all just "look what rebels we were!" with no sense of cotnext.
I am pretty sure it showed the negative public reaction to the team and how they were labeled all flash/show but no go after a pasty-plain vanilla Penn State team beat them in 1987. It sort of painted them as clowns (under Jimmy) - that all fo' show 80's bravado full of jewelry-wearing front-running choke artists.
This post was edited on 7/19/11 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 7/19/11 at 2:40 pm to hendersonshands
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The Two Escobars was so great because it delved into how screwed up Colombia was and how what us Americans barely cared about.
The same could be said about the Civil War in the former Yugoslavia.
I thought the theme (the connection) of the two Escobars was a stretch and the documentary tried too hard to connect to somewhat distinct stories.
Once Brothers was the opposite - the story was almost too real/sad to be true but not as stylishly done as the Two Escobars. I could easily see Once Bros. being a motion picture. Two guys grow up playing basketball on the streets of Eastern Europe - dream of the NBA, get to the NBA, then the home you just left erupts in Civil War and the only guy you know in the States - can't talk to you anymore and you never get to reconcile.
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