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re: Worst team to ever win a Championship
Posted on 6/15/11 at 3:00 pm to Baloo
Posted on 6/15/11 at 3:00 pm to Baloo
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I'm not disputing the impact of turnovers, I'm disputing whether a team can reliably control turnovers. They aren't completely random, but teams can't really control their +/-. If you want to guess a team that will disappoint next season, look for a team with a huge turnover differential. They are likely not as good as their record.
In an individual game I agree with you... luck plays a major part in +/- results
But over the course of a season it becomes less random and more the mark of a good team IMO
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Posted on 6/15/11 at 3:03 pm to molsusports
It's not entirely random, it's just closer to random than yards.
For example, the Steelers were +17 this year and the Patriots were +28. 2009? -3 and +6 respectively. Both saw their turnover margins swing by 20 turnovers in one season. That's huge. Buffalo, who was -17 this year, was +3 in 2009. These are massive swings.
For example, the Steelers were +17 this year and the Patriots were +28. 2009? -3 and +6 respectively. Both saw their turnover margins swing by 20 turnovers in one season. That's huge. Buffalo, who was -17 this year, was +3 in 2009. These are massive swings.
Posted on 6/15/11 at 3:06 pm to Baloo
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I'm not disputing the impact of turnovers, I'm disputing whether a team can reliably control turnovers.
I am not saying they are totally controllable, though.
Random or not, it doesn't change the fact that year to year, teams that force a lot of turnovers are usually in the playoffs.
Whether they are the same teams every year does not really matter.
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If you want to guess a team that will disappoint next season, look for a team with a huge turnover differential. They are likely not as good as their record.
I wasn't predicting anything in this thread. We were talking about years past.
Whether turnovers are random year to year is rather irrelevant. You can't take away what the 2009 Saints did, for example. Even if in 2010 it proved that their 2009 turnover mark was a "fluke".
the discussion is just kind of getting away from where it originally started. It wasn't about turnovers being random or not. Just their importance over yardage. At least that is my opinion.
anyway it all dates back to what McElroy said about the older champions are better than the new ones, because no teams were top 10 in defense and offense(based on yards). I just think that is an absolute silly way to state your case for that argument. I'd be open to other reasons, but that is not a good one.
Posted on 6/15/11 at 3:10 pm to Baloo
there are big swings from year to year but many times IMO that is a reflection of both schedule and the team composition changing (esp defensive emphasis - but to some extent offensive philosophy as well)
The Saints Super Bowl year should have been a year when they finished with a great +/- number... they played a lot of inexperienced and not amazing QBs (esp early that year)
And one thing changes the other IMO... if you are playing a young QB IMO you approach the game differently as a defensive coordinator... you can more easily to decide to take risks and force mistakes instead of playing more conservatively
The Saints Super Bowl year should have been a year when they finished with a great +/- number... they played a lot of inexperienced and not amazing QBs (esp early that year)
And one thing changes the other IMO... if you are playing a young QB IMO you approach the game differently as a defensive coordinator... you can more easily to decide to take risks and force mistakes instead of playing more conservatively
Posted on 6/15/11 at 3:12 pm to RunningHeel
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This post was edited on 6/15/11 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 6/15/11 at 5:16 pm to WelcomeToDeathValley
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98?
Italy won 2004, dont you ever forget it
Brazil prior to that im pretty sure
Italy won in 2006.
Posted on 6/15/11 at 5:19 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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2006 Cardinals?
84 BYU?
85 Nova?
Mississippi State 1998 SEC western division champs.
Posted on 6/15/11 at 6:01 pm to Rebman601
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Mississippi State 1998 SEC western division champs.
And came THIS close to winning the SECCG.
Posted on 6/15/11 at 6:13 pm to dukke v
Colorado/Georgia Tech or 84 BYU in a landslide. BCS gets hated on so much but the system before that was broken as shite.
Posted on 6/15/11 at 6:36 pm to Baloo
The 2009 and 2010 Saints are great examples of how turnovers can wildly vary from year to year.
Posted on 6/15/11 at 6:48 pm to H-Town Tiger
1978 Washington bullets
44-38 regular season record
44-38 regular season record
Posted on 6/15/11 at 6:56 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
1972 USSR basketball team, cheated 3 times in 3 seconds to beat the USA. It was so bad that the USA refused to receive their medals.
Posted on 6/15/11 at 6:57 pm to supatigah
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1978 Washington bullets
44-38 regular season record
Thats a real good one SUPA!!!
Posted on 6/15/11 at 6:58 pm to dukke v
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And came THIS close to winning the SECCG.
Wasn't any closer than the 2007 Vols came to winning it.
Posted on 6/15/11 at 6:59 pm to LSUtigersarefun
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1972 USSR basketball team, cheated 3 times in 3 seconds to beat the USA
That was a good team. Don't bring cheating into this. BTW the USA should have been up by twenty.
Posted on 6/15/11 at 7:08 pm to Rebman601
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Rebman601
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Mississippi State 1998 SEC western division champs.
I'd say Ole Miss 03 was worse.
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