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re: Best Vietnam movie?
Posted on 8/19/22 at 5:28 pm to theantiquetiger
Posted on 8/19/22 at 5:28 pm to theantiquetiger
Hamburger Hill is an underrated one.
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:17 pm to TheTideMustRoll
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Although this is your opinion and therefore by definition can't be wrong, I will say that you are the only person I have ever heard claim the second half of FMJ was better than the first.
The second have is incredibly underrated.
But as others have mentioned, it’s because the first half was just fricking perfect.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:18 pm to Rufus T Firefly
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The Killing Fields
Great movie but not really a Vietnam movie.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:23 pm to theantiquetiger
Love Story
Not really a Vietnam movie, but I think the Vietnam War was still going on when it was made
Not really a Vietnam movie, but I think the Vietnam War was still going on when it was made
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:52 pm to Frank Black
The Quiet American (2002) is about Vietnam in the 50's, before the US really got involved. The French were fighting to keep the country as their colony. You can kind of see some parallels with Brendan Fraser's Pyle character and Brad Pitt's Bishop character in Spy Game (2001). Both lied to people they'd fallen in love with, about who they were and what they did.
The Hanoi Hilton (1987) is one I don't think has been mentioned.
Even moreso than Rescue Dawn, it's more about being locked up than battles.
Michael Moriarty was in another Vietnam era movie that's great called Who'll Stop the Rain (1978). It, and movies like Cutter's Way (1981), Birdy (1984), Dead Presidents, Born on the 4th of July, etc., show how f'ed up a lot of guys were when they came home.
The way they got treated should be an embarrassment to all of us. It wasn't just protesters mistreating them. The way they got swept under the rug, in an effort to hush criticism for the way the government handled everything from getting involved, to the way we got out of it. People were just tired of arguing about all of it, so no one wanted to talk about any of it, and that included talking about the guys themselves. It was like everyone just wanted to forget about all of it, so nobody talked about it. We moved on to the Great 80's.
I wish we could look forward to the day our current world decides we're tired of arguing about politics.
The Hanoi Hilton (1987) is one I don't think has been mentioned.
Even moreso than Rescue Dawn, it's more about being locked up than battles.
Michael Moriarty was in another Vietnam era movie that's great called Who'll Stop the Rain (1978). It, and movies like Cutter's Way (1981), Birdy (1984), Dead Presidents, Born on the 4th of July, etc., show how f'ed up a lot of guys were when they came home.
The way they got treated should be an embarrassment to all of us. It wasn't just protesters mistreating them. The way they got swept under the rug, in an effort to hush criticism for the way the government handled everything from getting involved, to the way we got out of it. People were just tired of arguing about all of it, so no one wanted to talk about any of it, and that included talking about the guys themselves. It was like everyone just wanted to forget about all of it, so nobody talked about it. We moved on to the Great 80's.
I wish we could look forward to the day our current world decides we're tired of arguing about politics.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 10:31 pm to theantiquetiger
I could write a book on this topic. Hmmm.
But as a Marine grunt who actually fought and bled in Vietnam, I can tell you that the overall most realistic film was “Hamburger Hill” — even though it was about the Army (LOL).
I was about 40 miles north of Hamburger Hill while it was going on (about 11 days) and we even heard about it in the bush (near Khe Sanh) while HH occurred. That’s bad. HH made me squirm.
Platoon was accurate about grunt life but too political; Apocalypse was quotable and entertaining but silly; FMJ boot camp was scary accurate but stupid in Hue; Forrest Gump captured something special internally; Deer Hunter was absurdly inaccurate and sloppy; Tropic Thunder was actually good but killed all future Vietnam war movies with its insane and inside look into war filmmaking.
Born On the Fourth of July was beautiful, special in its own right and showed Tom Cruise at his best. Score is exceptional.
By the way, it seems virtually every Vietnam War movie has great music and soundtracks.
But as a Marine grunt who actually fought and bled in Vietnam, I can tell you that the overall most realistic film was “Hamburger Hill” — even though it was about the Army (LOL).
I was about 40 miles north of Hamburger Hill while it was going on (about 11 days) and we even heard about it in the bush (near Khe Sanh) while HH occurred. That’s bad. HH made me squirm.
Platoon was accurate about grunt life but too political; Apocalypse was quotable and entertaining but silly; FMJ boot camp was scary accurate but stupid in Hue; Forrest Gump captured something special internally; Deer Hunter was absurdly inaccurate and sloppy; Tropic Thunder was actually good but killed all future Vietnam war movies with its insane and inside look into war filmmaking.
Born On the Fourth of July was beautiful, special in its own right and showed Tom Cruise at his best. Score is exceptional.
By the way, it seems virtually every Vietnam War movie has great music and soundtracks.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 11:18 pm to theantiquetiger
The problem I have with We Were Soldiers is that it only tells of Hal Moore's men. The Hal Moore portion of the book is only half the story. What the movie doesn't show is that 3 days later another another inept Colonel got his men annihilated in the same area.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 1:00 am to MDB
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By the way, it seems virtually every Vietnam War movie has great music and soundtracks.
I second that. The soundtrack to “Apocalypse Now” is amazing. When “The End” by The Doors comes on, it gives me chills.
Edit: I always thought it was called “This is the End”
This post was edited on 8/20/22 at 1:04 am
Posted on 8/20/22 at 6:29 am to theantiquetiger
The Vietnam War - Ken Burns
Posted on 8/20/22 at 3:10 pm to BamaFinland
Right. We Were Soldiers only dealt with LZ X-Ray. It kept to the book very accurately- the guy who knew Joe Galloway from the podunk town in TX, Basil Plumly announcing to the wounded at the Aid Station "Gentleman, prepare to defend yourselves" when the perimeter was being overrun, Lt Herrick's "Lost Platoon", etc. Where it wasn't accurate was the Hollywood ending.
The 2nd half of the book dealt with LZ Albany and it was a much larger disaster. Not without its own heroics, but a slaughter for the 1/5(?) battalion.
The 2nd half of the book dealt with LZ Albany and it was a much larger disaster. Not without its own heroics, but a slaughter for the 1/5(?) battalion.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 8:48 pm to theantiquetiger
No love for Burt Lancaster in "Go Tell the Spartans"?
Posted on 8/20/22 at 9:27 pm to MDB
quote:The soundtrack is what made me think about Who'll stop the Rain.
virtually every Vietnam War movie has great music and soundtracks.
Who'll Stop the Rain-Creedence
Hey Tonight-Creedence
Proud Mary-Creedence
Give Me Some Lovin-Spencer Davis
Put a Little Love in Your Heart-Jackie DeShannon
American Pie-Don McLean
Golden Rocket-Hank Snow
I'll Step Down-Slim Whitman
Philadelphia Fillies-Del Reeves
ringostrack.com
You can play a little of most in that link.
Here's a 2018 Pithfork article titled, "How Creedence Clearwater Revival Became the Soundtrack to Every Vietnam Movie"
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John Fogerty claims he wrote “Fortunate Son” in just 20 minutes. But the music he made with Creedence Clearwater Revival has soundtracked visions of the Vietnam War in pop culture for what feels like an eternity.
It was 1969. The war had reached its bloody apex. Nixon was bombing Cambodia in secret. More than 11,000 Americans were killed in Vietnam that year. Most of the draftees were from working-class or poor backgrounds; a disproportionately high number of them were black.
Meanwhile, in the ruling class, Nixon’s daughter Julie had just married Dwight Eisenhower’s grandson, David. Fogerty read about the nuptials and seethed. “You’d hear about the son of this senator or that congressman who was given a deferment from the military,” he wrote in his 2015 memoir. “They weren’t being touched by what their parents were doing.” Full of righteous fury, he wrote “Fortunate Son.” The song snarled at the class disparity of war: “It ain’t me, it ain’t me/I ain’t no senator’s son.” “Fortunate Son” is “really not an anti-war song,” says Creedence drummer Doug Clifford, who served in the Coast Guard Reserve between 1966 and 1968. “It’s about class. Who did the dirty work?”
Posted on 8/20/22 at 10:15 pm to White Roach
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It kept to the book very accurately- the guy who knew Joe Galloway from the podunk town in TX, Basil Plumly announcing to the wounded at the Aid Station "Gentleman, prepare to defend yourselves" when the perimeter was being overrun, Lt Herrick's "Lost Platoon", etc. Where it wasn't accurate was the Hollywood ending.
Agree to disagree. In spots, it felt exactly like the book - maybe half the battle or a little more. The rest was Hollywood schlock. It was jarring for those of us who not only read the book back in the day, but used it as a reference for how to plan and execute (where the LZ Albany was the other example - how not to do it).
Posted on 8/20/22 at 10:30 pm to theantiquetiger
I don’t know about the best, but Danger Close is a good one.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 6:44 am to theantiquetiger
Apocalypse Now or Platoon
Haven't seen Jacob's Ladder mentioned yet
Haven't seen Jacob's Ladder mentioned yet
Posted on 8/21/22 at 11:26 am to CU_Tigers4life
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Uncommon Valor
I met Tex Cobb a few times and I mentioned to him about kicking Patrick Swayze's arse again. That was before he died obviously.
Uncommon Valor is my vote. Even though I saw it 3 times with my karate teacher.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 12:02 pm to Pettifogger
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Matterhorn is another that I think is ripe for the next definitive Vietnam movie.
Id love to see that.
We are long overdue for a Vietnam War movie or miniseries that focuses foremost on what our guys went through and accomplished over there in the shittiest of environments.
Platoon and Hamburger Hill are my favorites.
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