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re: Blackfish
Posted on 10/25/13 at 11:05 am to tylercsbn9
Posted on 10/25/13 at 11:05 am to tylercsbn9
I'm leaning the other way - I would like to visit SeaWorld soon considering this documentary has piqued my interest in Orcas...
I don't have strong feelings either way, but I do sympathize with the animals.
I don't have strong feelings either way, but I do sympathize with the animals.
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Posted on 10/25/13 at 11:26 am to Billy Mays
Did anybody see the little roundtable Anderson Cooper show afterwards? Jack Hannah was ripping the doc. Dude was pissed.
Posted on 10/25/13 at 11:36 am to RandySavage
Yeah I watched it - they all provided good responses. Hannah is clearly an advocate for animal parks/zoos, but he also recognizes the value of bring the Orcas to the public, which is a fair point. People fricking love Shamu 
... and you can thank SeaWorld for that.
I don't think there's a cut-and-dry "All Orcas should be released right now!!!" answer... there are pros and cons to everything.
... and you can thank SeaWorld for that. I don't think there's a cut-and-dry "All Orcas should be released right now!!!" answer... there are pros and cons to everything.
Posted on 10/25/13 at 11:41 am to Billy Mays
But what do the Orcas get out of people loving them?
I understand releasing them all will never happen but it's definitely a shame animals that size having to live in that kind of environment.
I understand releasing them all will never happen but it's definitely a shame animals that size having to live in that kind of environment.
Posted on 10/25/13 at 11:51 am to RandySavage
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But what do the Orcas get out of people loving them?
Maybe someday the Orca will need to be saved and I don't think the public will have a problem doing it. In the wild, Orcas need protection from hunters and fishing nets, marine toxins, depletion of food/prey. Those kind of challenges seem to exist in the long and short term. If researchers learn about them we can help in the conservation effort.
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it's definitely a shame animals that size having to live in that kind of environment.
I agree. At least their living standards have gotten better over the years. Much better than the shite show in Canada and Spain - that was embarrassing.
Posted on 10/25/13 at 12:36 pm to Billy Mays
Posted on 12/21/13 at 5:40 pm to Burt Reynolds
film is on netflix instant now
Posted on 12/21/13 at 6:21 pm to Burt Reynolds
I lot of entertainers have pulled out of concerts at Seaworld because of this.
Posted on 12/21/13 at 8:07 pm to Jim Rockford
Damn. Just watched it. frick SeaWorld, but the Steel Eel at Sea World - San Antonio is still awesome.
Posted on 12/21/13 at 8:31 pm to SwaggerCopter
Meh I have family/friends that have worked at Busch Gardens and Sea World, those animals are treated like kings from everyone i've ever heard connected with them.
Posted on 12/21/13 at 8:33 pm to chrisksaint
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those animals are treated like kings from everyone i've ever heard connected with them
But lots of people (and animals) wouldn't be happy as kings. Some people like freedom.
Posted on 12/21/13 at 8:36 pm to SwaggerCopter
I feel ya, this whole thing really just comes down to whether you're fine with animals being in captivity or not.
Posted on 12/21/13 at 8:50 pm to chrisksaint
Yeah. But that was sad stuff about them capturing Tilikum. His family was literally crying. Just ain't right.
Posted on 12/21/13 at 8:54 pm to PsychTiger
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I thought this was a GoT thread. I am disappoint.
You keep getting me with this thread you bastards.
Posted on 12/21/13 at 10:27 pm to Burt Reynolds
Seems like everyone in this thread is condemning Seaworld without any fact-checking. I don't know either way but I do know there are two sides to every story. Were you swayed by Al Gore's documentary about global warming? Someone totally ignorant to the facts probably was.
I watch documentaries for entertainment, but I never assume they are presenting unbiased history that I can entirely rely on.
I watch documentaries for entertainment, but I never assume they are presenting unbiased history that I can entirely rely on.
Posted on 12/21/13 at 11:40 pm to LeonPhelps
I watched this today.
I'm not sure if I prefer whales in captivity or getting killed by the Japanese. It's a lose-lose for whales everywhere.
I'm not sure if I prefer whales in captivity or getting killed by the Japanese. It's a lose-lose for whales everywhere.
Posted on 12/22/13 at 12:01 am to drizztiger
SeaWorld's response:
SeaWorld: The Truth Is in Our Parks and People
An Open Letter from SeaWorld’s Animal Advocates
Inaccurate reports recently have generated questions about SeaWorld and the animals in our care. The truth is in our parks and people, and it’s time to set the record straight.
The men and women of SeaWorld are true animal advocates. We are the 1,500 scientists, researchers, veterinarians, trainers, marine biologists, aquarists, aviculturists, educators and conservationists who have dedicated our lives to the animals in our care as well as those in the wild that are injured, ill or orphaned. Whether it’s a sea lion, manatee, sea turtle or whale, we are on call 24/7.
Here are some important facts about SeaWorld and our work:
SeaWorld does not capture killer whales in the wild. Due to the groundbreaking success of our research in marine mammal reproduction, we haven’t collected a killer whale from the wild in 35 years. In fact, only two of the whales in our care were collected by SeaWorld and they continue to be in our care today. In addition, our research has led to a much greater understanding of whales in the wild, giving researchers important scientific insights surrounding marine mammal reproduction.
We do not separate killer whale moms and calves. SeaWorld recognizes the important bond between mother and calf. On the rare occasion that a mother killer whale cannot care for the calf herself, we have successfully hand raised and reintroduced the calf. Whales are only moved to maintain a healthy social structure.
SeaWorld invests millions of dollars in the care of our killer whales. In the last three years alone, we have invested $70 million in our killer whale habitats and millions of dollars annually in support of these facilities. Our habitats are among the largest in the world today. They are state-of-the-art, multimillion-gallon environments of cooled and filtered water that allow for the highest and safest standards of care. We give our animals restaurant-quality fish, exercise, veterinary care, mental stimulation, and the company of other members of their species.
SeaWorld’s killer whales’ life spans are equivalent with those in the wild. While studies continue to define the average life span of killer whales in the wild, the most recent science suggests that our killer whales’ life spans are comparable — indeed, five of our animals are older than 30, and one of our whales is close to 50.
The killer whales in our care benefit those in the wild. We work with universities, governmental agencies and NGOs to increase the body of knowledge about and the understanding of killer whales — from their anatomy and reproductive biology to their auditory abilities. Some populations of wild killer whales have been classified as endangered or threatened, demonstrating the potential critical nature of these research opportunities. This type of controlled research and study is simply not possible in the wild, and has significant real-world benefits to the killer whales that live there.
SeaWorld is a world leader in animal rescue. The millions of people who visit our parks each year make possible SeaWorld’s world-renowned work in rescue, rehabilitation and release. We are constantly innovating when it comes to this care: Our veterinarians have created nursing bottles to hand-feed orphaned whales, prosthetics to save sea turtles, and a wetsuit to help injured manatees stay afloat during rehabilitation. Whether it’s the result of natural or man-made disasters, SeaWorld is always on call and often the first to be contacted. We have rescued more than 23,000 animals with the goal of treating and returning them to the wild.
Naturalist Baba Dioum put it best when he said, “In the end we will conserve only what we love; we will love only what we understand; and we will understand only what we have been taught.”
At SeaWorld, this has been our calling since we first opened our doors 50 years ago. It is a responsibility we do not take lightly. More than 400 million guests have visited SeaWorld. We are proud that their experiences here have a lasting and positive impact on them, and on the world in which we live.
The truth about SeaWorld is right here in our parks and people. Our guests may enter our gates having never given much thought to the remarkable animals in our oceans. When they leave with a greater appreciation for the importance of the sea, educated about the animals that live there and inspired to make a difference, we have done our job.
LINK
SeaWorld: The Truth Is in Our Parks and People
An Open Letter from SeaWorld’s Animal Advocates
Inaccurate reports recently have generated questions about SeaWorld and the animals in our care. The truth is in our parks and people, and it’s time to set the record straight.
The men and women of SeaWorld are true animal advocates. We are the 1,500 scientists, researchers, veterinarians, trainers, marine biologists, aquarists, aviculturists, educators and conservationists who have dedicated our lives to the animals in our care as well as those in the wild that are injured, ill or orphaned. Whether it’s a sea lion, manatee, sea turtle or whale, we are on call 24/7.
Here are some important facts about SeaWorld and our work:
SeaWorld does not capture killer whales in the wild. Due to the groundbreaking success of our research in marine mammal reproduction, we haven’t collected a killer whale from the wild in 35 years. In fact, only two of the whales in our care were collected by SeaWorld and they continue to be in our care today. In addition, our research has led to a much greater understanding of whales in the wild, giving researchers important scientific insights surrounding marine mammal reproduction.
We do not separate killer whale moms and calves. SeaWorld recognizes the important bond between mother and calf. On the rare occasion that a mother killer whale cannot care for the calf herself, we have successfully hand raised and reintroduced the calf. Whales are only moved to maintain a healthy social structure.
SeaWorld invests millions of dollars in the care of our killer whales. In the last three years alone, we have invested $70 million in our killer whale habitats and millions of dollars annually in support of these facilities. Our habitats are among the largest in the world today. They are state-of-the-art, multimillion-gallon environments of cooled and filtered water that allow for the highest and safest standards of care. We give our animals restaurant-quality fish, exercise, veterinary care, mental stimulation, and the company of other members of their species.
SeaWorld’s killer whales’ life spans are equivalent with those in the wild. While studies continue to define the average life span of killer whales in the wild, the most recent science suggests that our killer whales’ life spans are comparable — indeed, five of our animals are older than 30, and one of our whales is close to 50.
The killer whales in our care benefit those in the wild. We work with universities, governmental agencies and NGOs to increase the body of knowledge about and the understanding of killer whales — from their anatomy and reproductive biology to their auditory abilities. Some populations of wild killer whales have been classified as endangered or threatened, demonstrating the potential critical nature of these research opportunities. This type of controlled research and study is simply not possible in the wild, and has significant real-world benefits to the killer whales that live there.
SeaWorld is a world leader in animal rescue. The millions of people who visit our parks each year make possible SeaWorld’s world-renowned work in rescue, rehabilitation and release. We are constantly innovating when it comes to this care: Our veterinarians have created nursing bottles to hand-feed orphaned whales, prosthetics to save sea turtles, and a wetsuit to help injured manatees stay afloat during rehabilitation. Whether it’s the result of natural or man-made disasters, SeaWorld is always on call and often the first to be contacted. We have rescued more than 23,000 animals with the goal of treating and returning them to the wild.
Naturalist Baba Dioum put it best when he said, “In the end we will conserve only what we love; we will love only what we understand; and we will understand only what we have been taught.”
At SeaWorld, this has been our calling since we first opened our doors 50 years ago. It is a responsibility we do not take lightly. More than 400 million guests have visited SeaWorld. We are proud that their experiences here have a lasting and positive impact on them, and on the world in which we live.
The truth about SeaWorld is right here in our parks and people. Our guests may enter our gates having never given much thought to the remarkable animals in our oceans. When they leave with a greater appreciation for the importance of the sea, educated about the animals that live there and inspired to make a difference, we have done our job.
LINK
Posted on 12/22/13 at 12:07 am to SwaggerCopter
quote:
Damn. Just watched it. frick SeaWorld, but the Steel Eel at Sea World - San Antonio is still awesome
First time I went there I missed the Shamu show because I kept riding that damn ride over and over.
Posted on 12/22/13 at 12:08 am to chrisksaint
quote:
I feel ya, this whole thing really just comes down to whether you're fine with animals being in captivity or not.
I'm not one of those people who think dogs > people, animals > people. I don't care too much about the Orcas.
I think the biggest issue is the trainers weren't given accurate information on the danger of the Orcas. It was a shite move on Seaworld every time they would deflect blame onto the trainers.
Posted on 12/22/13 at 6:16 pm to econ85
10000 lb whale living in a swimming pool forced to perform tricks eats a trainer.
Go Whale!
Go Whale!
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