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re: Keep politics off this board...thanks...
Posted on 7/27/24 at 1:22 pm to WicKed WayZ
Posted on 7/27/24 at 1:22 pm to WicKed WayZ
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not the people who actually want to discuss movies
So are the politics of a movie/tv show not part of the story and worthy of criticism or praise? Stories are ideas. Why is it politics are the sole aspect that is off limits in discussing them, especially when they have become so aggressive and prevalent in modern filmmaking?
As usual, I suspect it's the nature of the politics being criticized that has brought censorship to bear. Oh well. Enjoy the Marvel circle jerk.
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Posted on 7/27/24 at 1:26 pm to AUCom96
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So are the politics of a movie/tv show not part of the story and worthy of criticism or praise?
Yes. On the Poli board.
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As usual, I suspect it's the nature of the politics being criticized
As usual, you’d be incorrect. I’m a right leaning libertarian and greatly dislike a lot of what’s being hamfisted into our entertainment but if I want to discuss, I’ll go to the Poli board.
Posted on 7/27/24 at 1:26 pm to Murray
Chicken definitely isn't a lefty.
Posted on 7/27/24 at 1:29 pm to wildtigercat93
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The “keep politics out of movies” crowd all of a sudden finds politics to be a core piece of art and movies that cannot be removed or ignored
Strawman argument
The most contentious stuff isn't something random. The most disruptive stuff is stuff like the Acolyte where the creators went out of their way to talk about their political motives, characters, and themes.
Granted, the criticism is often juvenile but so is the defense. The current Acolyte thread is evidence of the bilateral problem. And, barring a late onset of maturity for the persistent offenders maybe just do separate hater and lover threads for the overly political stuff like the Acolyte
Posted on 7/27/24 at 1:32 pm to AUCom96
I would ask to post examples of right wing discussions on threads that are reasonable and thought-out, but people here seem to think "the director is a bitch! She hates white men and wants to destroy our culture!" is thought provoking discussion.
Posted on 7/27/24 at 1:34 pm to ThoseGuys
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The most disruptive stuff is stuff like the Acolyte where the creators went out of their way to talk about their political motives, characters, and themes
"this is woke garbage and anyone that likes it must be a blind moron"
"why can't we discuss the politics in shows?"
This is one of the best melts TD has had in a while.
They are acting like they were seriously trying to have open "discussions" about the politics in the show, rather than just drive by name calling and insulting.
This post was edited on 7/27/24 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 7/27/24 at 1:44 pm to Corinthians420
Just sticky a thread to the bottom of the board titled “I Didn’t Watch This But I Want To Yell About It” and leave the discussion threads to people that watch the show or movie.
Posted on 7/27/24 at 1:47 pm to WicKed WayZ
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thought Liberals were supposed to be the whiny pussies
They’re the ones starting this nonsense
Posted on 7/27/24 at 1:50 pm to Corinthians420
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like they were seriously trying to have open "discussions" about the politics in the show, rather than just drive by name calling and insulting
What part of a bilateral problem don't you recognize?
Have you even looked at the Acolyte thread?
And FWIW your posts probably read exactly like the low content posts. I think your default activity is to name call and pour gasoline on conflict.
I don't recall seeing you give something like a serious movie or show analysis. Have I missed you being kind or insightful?
Posted on 7/27/24 at 1:54 pm to molsusports
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What part of a bilateral problem don't you recognize?
Neither side should be talking politics on the movie board
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I don't recall seeing you give something like a serious movie or show analysis
Id consider me breaking down and creating video clips for what caused the explosion on Brendok show analysis.
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I think your default activity is to name call and pour gasoline on conflict.
I actually was able to temporarily calm down the bitch fests between Madking and Sammy a few times
This post was edited on 7/27/24 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 7/27/24 at 2:15 pm to ThoseGuys
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would ask to post examples of right wing discussions on threads that are reasonable and thought-out
I see people complaining about content from Nerdrotic and Critical Drinker. My perception is some people here would like to label them political and bar their material.
Do you consider them right wing?
I don't know where they fall politically but their criticisms are pretty mainstream and seem to track with the overall popularity of Star Wars etc.
Posted on 7/27/24 at 2:17 pm to ThoseGuys
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I would ask to post examples of right wing discussions on threads that are reasonable and thought-out, but people here seem to think "the director is a bitch! She hates white men and wants to destroy our culture!" is thought provoking discussion.
There's that, but there's also valid questions on how franchises of certain previous ideas suddenly have been flipped on their head with little logical or business-conscious thought behind these creative decisions that isn't political and one-sided at that. Not all of these critiques are as you have labeled them and there's a long history of political criticism in the TV/movie environment: Oscars so white, the recent feminist resurgence, gender and race swapping, Christian bashing, etc. If you make a politically charged product - par for the course in modern entertainment - you can expect accompanying criticism.
Posted on 7/27/24 at 2:34 pm to AUCom96
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Oscars so white, the recent feminist resurgence, gender and race swapping, Christian bashing, etc. If you make a politically charged product - par for the course in modern entertainment - you can expect accompanying criticism.
I agree with this. I don’t think anyone disagrees. Just make the thread on the poli board.
Look. If entertainment related political discussion had stayed in their own threads on the MTV board all these years, this wouldn’t be happening.
Freaux and others stance that it should be ok as long as they stay in their threads would be great. In theory.
The reality is, we’ve seen what will actually happen for years now. They don’t stay in their own threads and self policing does not work at all.
So now it’s come to this to resolve the problem so others can enjoy the MTV board.
Posted on 7/27/24 at 2:52 pm to AUCom96
I would absolutely love to have these discussions on here. I think we as a society need to be aware of the daily propaganda we are exposed to.
I am of the opinion that decades of the American sitcom portraying the dad as a dumb buffoon and the wife having to do everything as a reason men are often viewed as weaker parents. But when I try to have those discussions it always breaks down into "women bad, Hollywood evil" with talking points so shallow I might as well go talk to a wall.
With regards to Critical Drinker, his criticism varies IP to IP. He complains that "oh course the new Star Wars show has a female lead, how predictable " yet he really enjoyed Arcane, which has a female lead. So why is there a female lead so easily dismissed for Star Wars but given a pass for other projects? Because Drinker is critical of Kathleen Kennedy and assumes the lead is female because Kennedy demands it to be so because she hates men. Now yes, that should be discussed, but at that point you are no longer even discussing the original show, but instead the politics that led to decisions creativity and direction. Now maybe that could still be discussed here but not when the post are thinly veiled personal attacks. That's why now it should be discussed on the PT where everyone will agree that Kathleen Kennedy is the absolute worst person on the planet and has killed our childhood.
I am of the opinion that decades of the American sitcom portraying the dad as a dumb buffoon and the wife having to do everything as a reason men are often viewed as weaker parents. But when I try to have those discussions it always breaks down into "women bad, Hollywood evil" with talking points so shallow I might as well go talk to a wall.
With regards to Critical Drinker, his criticism varies IP to IP. He complains that "oh course the new Star Wars show has a female lead, how predictable " yet he really enjoyed Arcane, which has a female lead. So why is there a female lead so easily dismissed for Star Wars but given a pass for other projects? Because Drinker is critical of Kathleen Kennedy and assumes the lead is female because Kennedy demands it to be so because she hates men. Now yes, that should be discussed, but at that point you are no longer even discussing the original show, but instead the politics that led to decisions creativity and direction. Now maybe that could still be discussed here but not when the post are thinly veiled personal attacks. That's why now it should be discussed on the PT where everyone will agree that Kathleen Kennedy is the absolute worst person on the planet and has killed our childhood.
Posted on 7/27/24 at 2:56 pm to olemc999
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Marvel, Disney, or Star Wars ever again.
Wokeness is technically a social issue. It's political only indirectly. I think DEI should still therefore be fair game.
It's a slippery slope because literally everything is indirectly political at the state or federal level. Ncaa football? "We need Congressional governance over NIL". Money. Crime. Pit bulls. Pharmaceutical costs. Arrests. All indirectly political because laws govern all aspect of the human endeavor, and politics necessarily precedes the passing of any law.
Just my two cents.
Posted on 7/27/24 at 2:59 pm to emanresu
It’s political because it’s subsidized by the state and global political organizations.
Posted on 7/27/24 at 3:09 pm to emanresu
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Wokeness is technically a social issue. It's political only indirectly. I think DEI should still therefore be fair game.
Then it should be on the OT Lounge
Posted on 7/27/24 at 3:11 pm to Chicken
This is fundamentally no different than if the declaration was all sports movies must be discussed on MSB. In fact a lot of them are. People interested in victimhood for victimhood's sake would start to argue about if that meant the children of the characters were in a soccer game during the second act did that mean it had to be on MSB.
The long and short of it is the people upset are people that want to discuss politics with people that don't want to discuss politics at least while they are discussing certain other subject matter. Echo chambers get extremely boring. People who's world revolves around politics want to find it and interject it into every subject. They become who they claim to hate. The problem for the rest of the world is they get tired of just discussing it with like minded people so they go to places where people don't want to discuss it and bring their dark clouds with them. They want to make everyone as miserable as they are and you want convince me they aren't miserable and if they think they aren't miserable they have just forgotten when it is like to be otherwise.
The long and short of it is the people upset are people that want to discuss politics with people that don't want to discuss politics at least while they are discussing certain other subject matter. Echo chambers get extremely boring. People who's world revolves around politics want to find it and interject it into every subject. They become who they claim to hate. The problem for the rest of the world is they get tired of just discussing it with like minded people so they go to places where people don't want to discuss it and bring their dark clouds with them. They want to make everyone as miserable as they are and you want convince me they aren't miserable and if they think they aren't miserable they have just forgotten when it is like to be otherwise.
Posted on 7/27/24 at 3:15 pm to ThoseGuys
This is what I half figured. But I was hoping even people who dislike their opinions would still be against removing CD and the Nerd because that's obviously content the board was designed to house. And FWIW neither is political unless it required to talk about the material.
Now we're jumping from criticism of content to criticism of perceived motivation. They haven't criticized all Disney or all Star Wars. Praise or criticism of producers, writers, directors, and actors is the most minimal possible level of media discussion.
I don't see where you have a movie board if you don't allow the most popular movie critics or their points of view.
Now we're jumping from criticism of content to criticism of perceived motivation. They haven't criticized all Disney or all Star Wars. Praise or criticism of producers, writers, directors, and actors is the most minimal possible level of media discussion.
I don't see where you have a movie board if you don't allow the most popular movie critics or their points of view.
Posted on 7/27/24 at 3:26 pm to molsusports
There have been tools to deal with this from the beginning so why the overreach? If you have an escalation like Drizz’s complaint issue warnings to the posters. If that doesn’t work issue short bans. This directive is unnecessary, maybe Chicken was just placating the complaint.
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