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Posted on 2/2/10 at 11:29 am to
Posted by Decatur
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Posted on 2/2/10 at 11:29 am to
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Do you think in someway that Richard could be involved with Nemesis?


Not knowingly IMHO. I think Richard is on Team Jacob.
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 2/2/10 at 11:30 am to
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Do you think in someway that Richard could be involved with Nemesis?



If you watch the links I posted in the first post it will answer that question for you.... Be warned though.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 2/2/10 at 11:32 am to
No spoilers please (not saying you have done this)

Just be careful...I don't want to know if you've seen the first part of it and how you reacted.

kthnx
Posted by Uncle Stu
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Posted on 2/2/10 at 11:37 am to
Hot damn these are some good questions
Posted by Frightened Inmate #2
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 2/2/10 at 11:38 am to
Kind of interesting I was watching the season finale of season 2 last night, and Kelvin Inman (the man who introduced Desmond to the hatch) was talking all about Radzinski being his partner, editing the orientation video, and finally blowing his brains out. Kinda blew my mind after seeing Radzinski in season 5.
Posted by Lexo
LaPlace
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 2/2/10 at 11:44 am to
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So Nemesis has Claire. Did he trick Claire into telling Kate (in a dream) not to bring Aaron back to the island? Does Aaron belong on the island?


Good question, especially since Claire's accent kind of disappeared for that sequence.


On a personal note, my sister-in-law got in touch with my wife last night and begged us to baby site her two sons tonight. She owes me big, and if those two monsters act up, it will not end well.
Posted by CP3LSU25
Louisiana
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Posted on 2/2/10 at 11:51 am to
watching the finale from season 5
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
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Posted on 2/2/10 at 11:53 am to
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Do you think in someway that Richard could be involved with Nemesis?


I go back and forth on this. It is very plausible.
Posted by CP3LSU25
Louisiana
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Posted on 2/2/10 at 12:24 pm to
a few questions. Was this the first time we see jacob and the man in black on screen.

From what I've seen so far Jacob doesn't age either and found most of the survivors like Kate and sawyer etc when they were kids
Posted by Antonio Moss
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Posted on 2/2/10 at 12:32 pm to
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Was this the first time we see jacob and the man in black on screen.


It was the first time it's been obvious, but with all the reincarnationsand mind tricks, who knows?

quote:

From what I've seen so far Jacob doesn't age either and found most of the survivors like Kate and sawyer etc when they were kids


It appears that way, but he only visit Kate and Sawyer as children.

Pre-815 Crash:

Kate - child in grocery store - told her not to steal anymore

Sawyer - child at parents funeral - gave him a pen and told him he was sorry about his parents.

Jack - adult in hospital after first surgery

Locke - adult right after he fell out of window - said "I'm very sorry this happended to you."

Post-815 Crash:

Sayid - adult, right as Nadia gets hit by car

Hurley - adult, the day before they get on the Ajuri Plane.


Also, I found it interesting that they did a Juliet flashback that did not include Jacob in the Jacob-centric episode.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 2/2/10 at 12:35 pm to
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Has anyone looked over some of the theories on Lostpedia. Some of the stuff about Jack and John are pretty legit imo.



I'm not buying Jack in a time loop theory. If he was, Jack would have done stuff differently instead of all the stuff he did on the Island. There is a reason he wasn't with the other survivors, and what it is is relevant, but other than that I'm not sure what it is.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 2/2/10 at 12:37 pm to
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I also believe Jack's father has some kind of closer relationship with Jacob/Nemesis and the island in general. I just can't put my finger on what exactly.



I think its pretty obvious that the Christian we've seen on the Island either is the Man in Black or the Monster working for MIB.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
32190 posts
Posted on 2/2/10 at 12:43 pm to
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I'm not buying Jack in a time loop theory. If he was, Jack would have done stuff differently instead of all the stuff he did on the Island. There is a reason he wasn't with the other survivors, and what it is is relevant, but other than that I'm not sure what it is.


I haven't read that link yet but I fully believe that everything we have seen our Losties do has not been the first time they have done it. What we have seen so far has not been the first iteration...it could be the millionth time they have tried this.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 2/2/10 at 12:43 pm to
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Well...how is Christian able to speak to so many of the suriviors?

I guess in someway I want Christian to be alive....but you're most likely right Moss.



Christian is dead. The writers confirmed that once you are dead in LOST, you are dead for good. You can come back in other forms, but you aren't still alive.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 2/2/10 at 12:44 pm to
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However, my theory could be shot to shite if the Cabin was acting as a prison for the Nemesis. In "The Incident," they make a point to show the broken circle of ash around the cabin and Illana says "that he (Jacob) hasn't been here for a long time and someone else has been using it." It's possible that the are setting up a scenerio where the Nemesis was imprisoned in the Cabin behind the ring of ash and Locke, unknowingly, released him when he visited the Cabin in Season Four.



Hurley stepped on the ash circle in "The Beginning of the End". Its more likely that Hurley, not Locke, released Man in Black.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
32190 posts
Posted on 2/2/10 at 12:48 pm to
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Hurley stepped on the ash circle in "The Beginning of the End". Its more likely that Hurley, not Locke, released Man in Black.


That's what I was trying to remember...

Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 2/2/10 at 12:50 pm to
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we've seen smokie since the beginning, therefore, it's Jacob that's been imprisoned



It doesn't seem like Jacob has been in that Cabin, at least when Locke and Ben visited it. Jacob's personality is far different than what we were told in that episode. You don't have to be "special" to see Jacob like we thought, he doesn't completely despise technology (although he prefers none), and he's not violent at all.

Plus it appears that Jacob doesn't want that much to do with Locke compared to most of the Others, while MIB very much needed Locke. He said "Help Me", which Locke eventually did. Obviously something bad was happening to him, and I highly doubt that was Jacob in the Cabin.
Posted by noonan
Nassau Bay, TX
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 2/2/10 at 12:52 pm to
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Kinda blew my mind after seeing Radzinski in season 5.


yeah, kinda flips me out with how much information there is in this show. i forget so much. when i was rewatching "the incident" i suddenly recalled that radzinski was on the boat and dead. i don't remember realizing that before rewatching that episode.
This post was edited on 2/2/10 at 12:59 pm
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 2/2/10 at 12:53 pm to
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Takes an awful lot of assumptions to come to that conclusion. So when was Jacob imprisoned? We know he wasn't imprisoned shortly before the 815 crash because he visits Jack as a resident. We know that he wasn't imprisoned after the O6 rescue because he visits Sayid and Hurley off the island.



Exactly, there's no way one can make this assumption. He healed Locke and he was at Sun and Jin's wedding (which couldn't have been that long before the Island). It also appears that Bram was working for Jacob while they were on the Island, which would be during Season 3 at the time. There's almost no way that was Jacob when Ben and Locke were in the Cabin. Plus here's what "Jacob" and MIB look like:



If he grew out a beard and his hair, these 2 look fairly similar.
This post was edited on 2/2/10 at 12:56 pm
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
84190 posts
Posted on 2/2/10 at 12:55 pm to
Ok, so thinking back.... Why did Ben start going to the Cabin?

Who sent him there? Was it Richard? Did he stumble upon it?

He said he had never seen or talked to Jacob, so how did he know about the cabin and all that jazz?
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