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Posted on 5/7/10 at 3:30 pm to STLSU
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I heard it on the Lindeloff and Cuse podcast.
Tried downloading that on my phone earlier but I have to wait until I can get a wi-fi connection. Will watch it when I get home.
Posted on 5/7/10 at 3:33 pm to Decatur
I'll post a summary.
- The editing of the finale is done in a „storytelling“ way, but they still have to work on visual effects and soundtrack
- Sun and Jin‘s deaths were meant to show that FLocke is really evil and that the show is really ending [nobody is safe]
- They will not talk about the next episode, but it is „important“
- Frank was not mentioned on the beach by Hurley, Kate or Jack, because they wanted to focus the moment on the original characters who died and are more emotionaly appealing to the audience
- Why Kate is not a candidate will be addressed on the show
- „Rules“ which Ben mentioned to Widmore will not be specified directly, but might become more clear when the whole situation unfolds
- The whispers do not work for MIB, there is no link between them
- It is „probably safe to bet“ that Hurley saw Isabella and not a manifestation of MIB
- The episode before the finale has the title the meaning of which might be surprising
- They are wondering when the people will stop calling them Darlton after the finale. Damon misses to be called Damon
-no more wondering who is good or bad. locke is bad, no more twists.
-anything is possible with deaths, dont rule out a big gun dying.
-hurley and kate didnt ask if lapidus was dead because sun, jin and sayid were more important and close to them. they specify that you didnt actually see lapidus dead.
-kate isnt a candidate and you will see why, its important to her story.
-when speaking of richard, darlton says "if hes still alive in the finale".
-do the whispers work for MIB? no. any of the walking dead could have been MIB, but unless someone with the power, ie Hurley, sees them, then its not MIB for sure.
-ben and widmores rules, you wont know them, but there are rules. some might become clear by the finale. references the matrix reloaded and the conversation between Neo and the Architect.
-says the egyptians built the 4 toed statue, then damon questions it. sounded like carton shouldnt have revealed it.
- The editing of the finale is done in a „storytelling“ way, but they still have to work on visual effects and soundtrack
- Sun and Jin‘s deaths were meant to show that FLocke is really evil and that the show is really ending [nobody is safe]
- They will not talk about the next episode, but it is „important“
- Frank was not mentioned on the beach by Hurley, Kate or Jack, because they wanted to focus the moment on the original characters who died and are more emotionaly appealing to the audience
- Why Kate is not a candidate will be addressed on the show
- „Rules“ which Ben mentioned to Widmore will not be specified directly, but might become more clear when the whole situation unfolds
- The whispers do not work for MIB, there is no link between them
- It is „probably safe to bet“ that Hurley saw Isabella and not a manifestation of MIB
- The episode before the finale has the title the meaning of which might be surprising
- They are wondering when the people will stop calling them Darlton after the finale. Damon misses to be called Damon
-no more wondering who is good or bad. locke is bad, no more twists.
-anything is possible with deaths, dont rule out a big gun dying.
-hurley and kate didnt ask if lapidus was dead because sun, jin and sayid were more important and close to them. they specify that you didnt actually see lapidus dead.
-kate isnt a candidate and you will see why, its important to her story.
-when speaking of richard, darlton says "if hes still alive in the finale".
-do the whispers work for MIB? no. any of the walking dead could have been MIB, but unless someone with the power, ie Hurley, sees them, then its not MIB for sure.
-ben and widmores rules, you wont know them, but there are rules. some might become clear by the finale. references the matrix reloaded and the conversation between Neo and the Architect.
-says the egyptians built the 4 toed statue, then damon questions it. sounded like carton shouldnt have revealed it.
Posted on 5/7/10 at 3:40 pm to STLSU
quote:
- Frank was not mentioned on the beach by Hurley, Kate or Jack, because they wanted to focus the moment on the original characters who died and are more emotionaly appealing to the audience
quote:
-hurley and kate didnt ask if lapidus was dead because sun, jin and sayid were more important and close to them. they specify that you didnt actually see lapidus dead.
Frank, we hardly knew ye
Posted on 5/7/10 at 3:40 pm to Decatur
Thanks for the recap
I think you just saved this thread from further unnecessary speculation
I think you just saved this thread from further unnecessary speculation
Posted on 5/7/10 at 3:58 pm to STLSU
quote:
- It is „probably safe to bet“ that Hurley saw Isabella and not a manifestation of MIB
I see.
Posted on 5/7/10 at 4:00 pm to The Boob
quote:
is it a spoiler?
Not exactly.
quote:
when she was cuffed up with Juliet and they ran thru the jungle and didnt have one nekkid lesbian experience the entire time, Jacob had to be thinking to himself "aw frick this bitch, she'll never do"....and scratched thru her name
Sounds like a good reason to me.
Posted on 5/7/10 at 4:02 pm to BhamTigah
quote:Assuming for just a moment that the "Kwon" on the list may have been Sun ... it kinda makes you wonder what she did to stay on the list
when she was cuffed up with Juliet and they ran thru the jungle and didnt have one nekkid lesbian experience the entire time, Jacob had to be thinking to himself "aw frick this bitch, she'll never do"....and scratched thru her name
Posted on 5/7/10 at 4:10 pm to TigerInBamaLand
Well, we know Juliet played with her kootchie while she was preggos.
Posted on 5/7/10 at 4:18 pm to TigerInBamaLand
quote:
TigerInBamaLand
Are you a vet in B'ham? You may know my wife or my sister(not the same person). They run a pet crematory in town.
Posted on 5/7/10 at 5:31 pm to BhamTigah
7772:
The number of posts in the official episodes of Lost threads this season.
The number of posts in the official episodes of Lost threads this season.
Posted on 5/7/10 at 7:00 pm to STLSU
Well done with the recap STLSU .
.Posted on 5/7/10 at 7:24 pm to TotallyTigers
Thanks yall, but I just copied and pasted from a Lost blog site.
Posted on 5/7/10 at 7:25 pm to Decatur
quote:
Frank, we hardly knew ye
I think he might be alive. It's unclear. That would be cool, yes?
Posted on 5/8/10 at 12:59 pm to STLSU
As a primer or a refresher, here's the conversation between Neo and the Architect concerning his choice.
Architech: Hello, Neo.
Neo: Who are you?
Architech: I am the Architech. I created the Matrix. I've been waiting for you. You have many questions and though the process has altered your conciseness, you remain irrevocably human. Ergo, some of my answers you will understand and some of them you will not. Concurrently, while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also the most irrelevant.
Neo: Why am I here?
Architech: Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden assiduously avoided, it is not unexpected and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you inexorably here.
Neo: You haven't answered my question.
Architech: Quite right. Interesting. That was quicker than the others.
(screens burst out into questions mostly about "what others")
Architech: The matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next in which case this is the 6th version.
(All screens, except one, start calling him a liar and or attempt to figure his words out)
Neo (in one of the screens): There are only two possible explanations: either no one told me, or no one knows. (inside this screen becomes the new scene)
Architech: Precisely. As you are undoubtedly gathering the anomaly is systemic. Creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations.
(screens all pretty much start cussing out and flipping off the Architechhitect. Again, except one which becomes the new scene)
Neo: Choice. The problem is choice.
(scene changes to the struggle between Trinity and an agent and then back again)
Architech: The first matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect. It was a work of art. Flawless, Sublime. A Triumph equaled only by it's monumental failure. The inevitability of it's doom is apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being. Thus I redesigned it based on your history. To more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus the answer was stumbled upon by another. An intuitive program initially created to investigate certain aspects of human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be it's mother.
Neo: The oracle.
Architech: Please. As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solutions whereby nearly 99% of all test subjects accepted the program as long as they were given a choice. Even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly. That if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo, those that refuse the program, while a minority, if unchecked would constitute an escalating probability of disaster.
Neo: This is about Zion.
Architech: You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. It's every living inhabitant terminated. It's entire existence eradicated.
Neo: bullshite! (screens echo this sentiment)
Architech: Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. But rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it. And we have become exceedingly efficient at it.
(another jump to the Trinity/agent struggle and back)
Architech: The function of "The One" is now to return to the source allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female 7 male, to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix. Which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.
Neo: You won't let it happen. You can't. You need human beings to survive.
Architech: There are levels of survival we are prepared to except. However, the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to except the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world.
(Shows a bunch of random humans on the screens)
Architech: It is interesting reading your reactions. Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication. A contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of "The One". While the others experienced this in a very general way, your experience is far more specific. Vis-a-vis, love.
Neo: Trinity.
Architech: Apropos, she entered the matrix to save your life at the cost of her own.
Neo: No!
Architech: Which brings us, at last, to the moment of truth. Wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed and the anomaly revealed as both beginning and end. There are two doors: The door to your right leads to the source and the salvation of Zion. The door to your left leads back to the matrix to her and to the end of your species. As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know what you are going to do, don't we. Already I can see the chain reaction. The chemical precursors that signal the onset of an emotion designed specifically to overwhelm logic and reason. An emotion that is already blinding you from the simple and obvious truth: She is going to die and there is nothing you can do to stop it.
(Neo walks toward the left door)
Architech: Humph. Hope. It is the quintessential human delusion. Simultaneously the source of your greatest strength and your greatest weakness.
Neo: If I were you, I would hope that we don't meet again.
Architech: We won't.
(Neo takes his exit)
Architech: Hello, Neo.
Neo: Who are you?
Architech: I am the Architech. I created the Matrix. I've been waiting for you. You have many questions and though the process has altered your conciseness, you remain irrevocably human. Ergo, some of my answers you will understand and some of them you will not. Concurrently, while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also the most irrelevant.
Neo: Why am I here?
Architech: Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden assiduously avoided, it is not unexpected and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you inexorably here.
Neo: You haven't answered my question.
Architech: Quite right. Interesting. That was quicker than the others.
(screens burst out into questions mostly about "what others")
Architech: The matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next in which case this is the 6th version.
(All screens, except one, start calling him a liar and or attempt to figure his words out)
Neo (in one of the screens): There are only two possible explanations: either no one told me, or no one knows. (inside this screen becomes the new scene)
Architech: Precisely. As you are undoubtedly gathering the anomaly is systemic. Creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations.
(screens all pretty much start cussing out and flipping off the Architechhitect. Again, except one which becomes the new scene)
Neo: Choice. The problem is choice.
(scene changes to the struggle between Trinity and an agent and then back again)
Architech: The first matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect. It was a work of art. Flawless, Sublime. A Triumph equaled only by it's monumental failure. The inevitability of it's doom is apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being. Thus I redesigned it based on your history. To more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus the answer was stumbled upon by another. An intuitive program initially created to investigate certain aspects of human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be it's mother.
Neo: The oracle.
Architech: Please. As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solutions whereby nearly 99% of all test subjects accepted the program as long as they were given a choice. Even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly. That if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo, those that refuse the program, while a minority, if unchecked would constitute an escalating probability of disaster.
Neo: This is about Zion.
Architech: You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. It's every living inhabitant terminated. It's entire existence eradicated.
Neo: bullshite! (screens echo this sentiment)
Architech: Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. But rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it. And we have become exceedingly efficient at it.
(another jump to the Trinity/agent struggle and back)
Architech: The function of "The One" is now to return to the source allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female 7 male, to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix. Which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.
Neo: You won't let it happen. You can't. You need human beings to survive.
Architech: There are levels of survival we are prepared to except. However, the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to except the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world.
(Shows a bunch of random humans on the screens)
Architech: It is interesting reading your reactions. Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication. A contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of "The One". While the others experienced this in a very general way, your experience is far more specific. Vis-a-vis, love.
Neo: Trinity.
Architech: Apropos, she entered the matrix to save your life at the cost of her own.
Neo: No!
Architech: Which brings us, at last, to the moment of truth. Wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed and the anomaly revealed as both beginning and end. There are two doors: The door to your right leads to the source and the salvation of Zion. The door to your left leads back to the matrix to her and to the end of your species. As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know what you are going to do, don't we. Already I can see the chain reaction. The chemical precursors that signal the onset of an emotion designed specifically to overwhelm logic and reason. An emotion that is already blinding you from the simple and obvious truth: She is going to die and there is nothing you can do to stop it.
(Neo walks toward the left door)
Architech: Humph. Hope. It is the quintessential human delusion. Simultaneously the source of your greatest strength and your greatest weakness.
Neo: If I were you, I would hope that we don't meet again.
Architech: We won't.
(Neo takes his exit)
Posted on 5/8/10 at 1:43 pm to STLSU
there has to be something to the writers saying we never actually see frank dead....i suspect he is still kicking
Posted on 5/8/10 at 5:03 pm to darbour21
I'm having a hard time not looking up spoilers this week... I need some words of encouragement.
Posted on 5/8/10 at 5:19 pm to joshnorris14
I ate the poisonous apple a little while ago. Don't geaux, but be ready for a thrill ride. I know of a couple of specific facts, didn't check everything. I know enough. I'll post them if you want to give in to MIB.
Posted on 5/8/10 at 5:22 pm to STLSU
quote:
I ate the poisonous apple a little while ago. Don't geaux, but be ready for a thrill ride. I know of a couple of specific facts, didn't check everything. I know enough. I'll post them if you want to give in to MIB.
I feel like Charlie did after the plane crash...
Posted on 5/8/10 at 9:32 pm to joshnorris14
i was bored..anyone who wants to use, feel free
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