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re: New Fantastic Four: First Steps footage revealed
Posted on 4/11/25 at 5:06 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
Posted on 4/11/25 at 5:06 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
You are aware that a character is allowed to be three dimensional right?
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Posted on 4/11/25 at 5:14 pm to Havoc
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If this is an origin story then why are they starting with SS wife as SS when that didn’t occur until much later in the comic/storyline (if at all)?
Look I would much rather be getting the original Silver Surfer showing up for the first time like he does in the comics ringing the dinner bell for Galactus. It’s an iconic moment and SS is one of my all time favorite marvel characters. I was just pointing out that it isn’t like they are taking Norrin Radd, slapping boobs on him and calling him Nora
Using Surfer’s wife for this makes me believe there’s a reason in the story why Galactus picked Shalla-Bal as his herald. Perhaps Galactus took Norrin prisoner to force her to do his bidding. Hell, basically every version of this story always results in the naive Silver Surfer realizing Galactus is bad, turning on him and helping the F4. Maybe picking a weaker, more subservient Surfer is what helps Galactus actually win this time and it’s why the Fantastic Four wind up in the main MCU after this
Also you have to remember they aren’t technically doing an origin this time. They are speedrunning past that trying to establish not only the F4 but their OP as frick children who both play a massive role in Secret Wars. They have to get this family to the main MCU timeline for the impending Doom coming in the next two movies
Posted on 4/11/25 at 5:19 pm to dawgfan24348
Is that what you're calling it now? "3-dimensional"?
Posted on 4/11/25 at 5:33 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
Has that stopped the board from bitching about minorities in comic book movies before?
Has it stopped people from complaining that modern Disney has made comics woke despite a very long and established history?
People will be overly critical of any decision Disney makes with any of these movies and social media will try to rile up people because they need to generate clicks and views. (Which is somewhat fair because Disney dug their own grave with regards to this). Comics have long sense been a safe haven for groups that have felt alienated. Now that they are more mainstream people freak out as if this is some recent crap.
Has it stopped people from complaining that modern Disney has made comics woke despite a very long and established history?
People will be overly critical of any decision Disney makes with any of these movies and social media will try to rile up people because they need to generate clicks and views. (Which is somewhat fair because Disney dug their own grave with regards to this). Comics have long sense been a safe haven for groups that have felt alienated. Now that they are more mainstream people freak out as if this is some recent crap.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 5:33 pm to dawgfan24348
Not sure if you or anyone else ITT watches this kind of stuff but this a solid breakdown. I like some of these theories
WW2 never takes place in this timeline, meaning the super soldier program never begins, so we don’t have a Captain America or Red Skull or Winter Soldier running around. Hyrdra never existed. Stark Industries never happens, meaning no Iron Man. No Iron Man and no Cap means no Avengers. So we will have only the F4 as the established superheroes of this world just like they were in the comics until Spider-Man came along.
Also the theory that Richards is going to inadvertently be the one to cause an incursion while trying to trap Galactus is a GREAT idea. Especially if Doctor Doom is from this same timeline as rumored. Doom finding out his world and his beloved Latveria was destroyed due to a mistake from Reed Richards would be all the motivation he needs
WW2 never takes place in this timeline, meaning the super soldier program never begins, so we don’t have a Captain America or Red Skull or Winter Soldier running around. Hyrdra never existed. Stark Industries never happens, meaning no Iron Man. No Iron Man and no Cap means no Avengers. So we will have only the F4 as the established superheroes of this world just like they were in the comics until Spider-Man came along.
Also the theory that Richards is going to inadvertently be the one to cause an incursion while trying to trap Galactus is a GREAT idea. Especially if Doctor Doom is from this same timeline as rumored. Doom finding out his world and his beloved Latveria was destroyed due to a mistake from Reed Richards would be all the motivation he needs
This post was edited on 4/11/25 at 5:36 pm
Posted on 4/11/25 at 5:37 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
Yeah being more than a one note character like Johnny was in the 2000s movies is a good thing. I liked Chris Evans portrayal of Johnny but he's definitely more than just some frat boy that makes a bunch of jokes. It's pretty obvious from Quinn's full quote that's Johnny is going to a layered character who's still the comedic character while showing that he still cares about his family. He also never said he wouldn't be a ladies man just he wouldn't be the hyper frat boy persona that we saw in the Evans version
Of course all you see is he ain't trying to frick every girl he sees so that must means woke gay
Of course all you see is he ain't trying to frick every girl he sees so that must means woke gay
This post was edited on 4/11/25 at 5:46 pm
Posted on 4/11/25 at 5:49 pm to dawgfan24348
Yeah there’s a lot more to Johnny than just being a poon hound like Evans’ portrayal. He’s a very insecure hothead but cares much more than he lets on. Johnny still needs to be considerably more immature than the rest of the family to get the dynamic right. Johnny and Ben bouncing off each other works well with the much more serious Reed with Sue holding the entire thing down as the backbone of the family imo
Posted on 4/11/25 at 5:52 pm to ThoseGuys
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Has that stopped the board from bitching about minorities in comic book movies before?
Never happened.
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Has it stopped people from complaining that modern Disney has made comics woke despite a very long and established history?
Like black Ariel? Latin Snow White? Super established stuff like that?
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People will be overly critical of any decision Disney makes with any of these movies and social media will try to rile up people because they need to generate clicks and views. (Which is somewhat fair because Disney dug their own grave with regards to this). Comics have long sense been a safe haven for groups that have felt alienated. Now that they are more mainstream people freak out as if this is some recent crap.
No, the fans are properly critical, because Disney and Hollywood in general are overtly hostile towards the fans as well as the source material with which they hope to rake in millions in unearned
Comics could trace around social issues without ramming a specific issue down viewers throats. It's the art of subtly that has been totally abandoned by current day Hollywood and its actorvists.
Fans will appreciate movies which at least attempt respecting the source material and respond favorably to actors and directors who don't call them the worst people in the world if they don't flock to their films.
Sydney Sweeny and Dakota Johnson both gained mad respect from fans for laughing at how bad Madame Web was. They didn't call all men losers or incels for not showing up.
It was just a bad, poorly written movie.
This post was edited on 4/11/25 at 5:53 pm
Posted on 4/11/25 at 5:55 pm to dawgfan24348
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Of course all you see is he ain't trying to frick every girl he sees so that must means woke gay
Flame on, fellas!
Maybe write something resembling an arc where he starts out overly "2-D" and ends up having grown up some?
This post was edited on 4/11/25 at 6:00 pm
Posted on 4/11/25 at 8:21 pm to David Ricky
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. I was just pointing out that it isn’t like they are taking Norrin Radd, slapping boobs on him and calling him Nora
But they are, at least within (if my recall and checking is correct) a multi decade time difference from the source material.
There’s no reason why the Silver Surfer, in the context of the origin of the FF, would have been his wife FFS.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 8:27 pm to dawgfan24348
You’re spewing so much bullshite it’s not even worth responding to. Just noting that.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 8:31 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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Never happened.
You idiots melted down over some minor gay character in Beauty and the Beast and Buzz Lightyear.
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black Ariel? Latin Snow White?
You act like Disney hadn't been getting shite on for making lazy live action adaptations before them
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the fans are properly critical, because Disney and Hollywood in general are overtly hostile towards the fans as well as the source material with which they hope to rake in millions in unearned
You're not the fans, you're a dude who gets into a frenzy about anytime a gay character pops up or there's a slight race swap. Then you use the cloak of oh I'm just a fan to act like you're not just a whiny moron who wants the entire country to revert to the 1950s. If you actually cared about Disney movies you would make as much as a fuss about the other Disney live action adaptations as you do the recent ones but you won't because you want to hyper focus on some innocoaus minority characters instead of the much bigger problem with Disney with are their lazy retellings and their total mishandling of the last two MCU phases
Posted on 4/11/25 at 8:53 pm to dawgfan24348
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You're not the fans, you're a dude who gets into a frenzy about anytime a gay character pops up or there's a slight race swap.
You’re so fricking stupid and intellectually dishonest, acting oblivious to all the Hollywood garbage. GFY.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 9:02 pm to Havoc
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acting oblivious to all the Hollywood garbage. GFY.
Ah I absolutely love this asinine response I've been fairly vocal about my problems with the LA adaptations and the current state of Marvel. Problem is I'm not jumping up and down about the woke nor am I posting a bunch of shitty click bait YouTube videos so logic dictates I must be in favor of them
Posted on 4/12/25 at 12:35 am to dawgfan24348
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You idiots melted down over some minor gay character in Beauty and the Beast and Buzz Lightyear.
No memory of there ever being any overtly gay characters in BatB, but Buzz Lightyear? Disney's not-so-gay-agenda has no business in a KIDS movie. And the audience agreed. Just like Strange World, the fans rejected it. Because most sane folks don't want grooming in stuff that's primarily for kids. Period.
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You act like Disney hadn't been getting shite on for making lazy live action adaptations before them
Literally what?
The concept itself is a blatant money grab, and runs counter to the concept of what Disney has been known for since it was founded. I think you're just being angry out of habit now.
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You're not the fans, you're a dude who gets into a frenzy about anytime a gay character pops up or there's a slight race swap.
Exactly what is a 'slight' race swap? Please, explain. If race isn't such a big deal, then why swap a character at all?
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Then you use the cloak of oh I'm just a fan to act like you're not just a whiny moron who wants the entire country to revert to the 1950s.
Because, in many objective ways, the 1950's were in fact a better time. For most everyone. Even minorities.
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If you actually cared about Disney movies you would make as much as a fuss about the other Disney live action adaptations as you do the recent ones but you won't because you want to hyper focus on some innocoaus minority characters instead of the much bigger problem with Disney with are their lazy retellings and their total mishandling of the last two MCU phases
Disney remaking Disney versions of older movies is silly by most accounts. But still, Cinderella, Jungle Book, The Lion King and Mufasa (which wasn't even live action) all did fairly decent. Why? Because they stuck to some level of authenticity of what had come before.
The stories ARE the stories. Adding 'muh representation' into them for the sake of diversity is taking away from the story, regardless of how it's done. No one needs a Swedish or African person to show up in a remake of Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. Because that's not remotely germane to the story.
The concept that, in order to appeal to a more global audience, we must add more black people to a Viking movie or gay people to a kid's story is patently absurd. And the fans are rejecting this authoritarian bullshite that's coming from the top down.
I'm truly at a loss at why you or anyone is still fighting FOR this level of social engineering.
Posted on 4/12/25 at 12:48 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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Current day bullshite from Hollywood fricking up decades worth of source material & making a terrible adaptation of known characters.
Disney will Disney.
Posted on 4/12/25 at 12:49 am to DesScorp
Looking forward to the remake of Song of the South.
For the 'modern' audience, of course.
Posted on 4/12/25 at 1:01 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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Disney's not-so-gay-agenda
Gay people existing is not some big agenda movement it's literally just acknowledging these people exist. You're not better than the morons who threw a shite fit over an interracial kiss being aired on tv decades ago. Same shite different era
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grooming in stuff that's primarily for kids
Hey dipshit gay couples being on tv doesn't equate to grooming that's just your creepy arse trying to force the two together. Unless you think the Catholic Church should stay far away from kids but of course you don't. Because you're massive hypocrite who's views are extremely antiquated and will become more so as society continues to progress and leaves backwards minded people like you behind.
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Because, in many objective ways, the 1950's were in fact a better time. For most everyone. Even minorities.
This might actually be one of the dumbest and tone deaf things I've read on here. You are aware segregation was thing back then right? Jim Crow laws were a thing as well. I'm sure you think characters like Uncle Ruckus and Cartman are right too don't ya
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Adding 'muh representation' into them for the sake of diversity is taking away from the story, regardless of how it's done
If the story is shite it's going to be shite instead of tackling the larger issue at hand you laser focus onto minorities in Disney movies. Probably because you can't properly critique these movies without shouting woke no doubt in part to all the shitty videos you consume and repost here
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the fans are rejecting this authoritarian bullshite that's coming from the top down.
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social engineering.
Just randomly throwing out buzzwords doesn't make you intelligent you know. Also lazy writing covered up by race swapping is hardly authoritarian or social engineering. God it's like your just hear key phrases and try to force them into sentences like a kid forcing a square peg into a round hole
Posted on 4/12/25 at 1:08 am to dawgfan24348
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This might actually be one of the dumbest and tone deaf things I've read on here. You are aware segregation was thing back then right? Jim Crow laws were a thing as well. I'm sure you think characters like Uncle Ruckus and Cartman are right too don't ya
Not tone deaf in the least, just factin'. Life existed under slavery as well. The country thrived, as much as it makes you angry. There's literally nothing you can do to undo the past. Then a war ended it, costing us 100's of 1000's of lives.
Stop trying to relive and rewrite history. Just because a thing happened doesn't mean everyone and everything of that time was horrible and terrible.
Get over it.
Posted on 4/12/25 at 2:29 am to David Ricky
These frickers really want to keep Galactus and Silver Surfer in the dark, don't they?
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