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re: No, The Avengers is not overrated.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 12:32 am to magildachunks
Posted on 5/7/12 at 12:32 am to magildachunks
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Does that make sense?
yes, but if you're going to separate them all out there needs to be some specific guidelines to do so
there can be a little grey area, but it should be pretty easy to divide them up following the guidelines
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Posted on 5/7/12 at 12:36 am to SlowFlowPro
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yes, but if you're going to separate them all out there needs to be some specific guidelines to do so
there can be a little grey area, but it should be pretty easy to divide them up following the guidelines
By ignoring the source material and going with the tone of the movie, you can determine what is a "comic-book" movie and what is not.
If TDK was based on a book, and not a comic, would you call it a comic book movie? No.
Hancock is a comic book movie. It wasn't based on a comic book. Men in Black is a comic book movie.
Road to Perdition is not a comic book movie, although it is based on one. No one would argue that. Same with History of Violence.
Stop getting hung up on source material. Look at the movie.
This post was edited on 5/7/12 at 12:37 am
Posted on 5/7/12 at 12:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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not exactly a loss that anyone cares about
bullshite, you didn't care about him. He represnts the audience in five movies. More emotional investment in him than Rachel Dawes for sure.
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nobody cares about faceless deaths in comics in terms of dramatic effect
maybe, but The Avengers do.
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but the movie left no real fear of this turmoil keeping them from getting together and winning in the end, which they did
based on the actions of Fury and death of Clarke. whom was connected to The Big 3 pretty heavily.
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but that's not fair. we only know that b/c it's using material from a source and b/c it's a prequel of sorts
WITHIN the movie itself, that's some major drama. the battle of the movie wasn't really x-men v. humanity, it was prof x v. magneto in their eventual war over humanity. prof x lost. magneto left. mystique left, too (in part due to frickups of prof x)
Doesn't matter if you think it's fair, the viewer knows they can't die. I know Xavier is going to end up in a wheelchair. I know they are going to have a fall out. I knew in the original X-Men that none of the character I cared about were going to die.
You can't argue for the lack of tension in The Avengers and claim different rules for the "serious film". Besides you are missing what The Avengers are all about. They are the fricking A-Team how they deal with shite around them is the turmoil. This being the teams origin, everyone is on the same page. Go Read Galactic Storm or Civil War and you'll notice a big fricking difference.
Oh and your grandparents or (great grandparents)don't love you if you hate Captain America. So you have that going for you.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 12:39 am to magildachunks
Yall's debate is making geeks everywhere proud.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 12:41 am to DanglingFury
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Yall's debate is making geeks everywhere proud.
Debating genre?
Whatever floats their boats.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 12:43 am to HideChaKidz
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Dude... your name is Ron Burgundy.
I know. When God was handing out handles, you were out back taking a piss. I'm just fricking with you, if you like referencing the ghetto culture in America, more power to you.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 12:45 am to RonBurgundy
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I know. When God was handing out handles, you were out back taking a piss. I'm just fricking with you, if you like referencing the ghetto culture in America, more power to you.
When god was handing out handles, I was drunk.
And I like Ron Burgundy.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 6:52 am to HideChaKidz
i spent the whole movie going 'wow, they totally copied joss whedon's style'..especially the out-of-focus..in focus shots of the massive dragon floating around the city and of course the dialog.
felt like a complete idiot when the movie ended and it said he was the director
also thought it was funny that 1/3 of the people left at the end..another 1/3 left after thanos appeared..and then there were just a few of us for the final scene.
people are stupid..are you in that big of a hurry to get to your car you don't watch the entire movie you just paid $13 for?
felt like a complete idiot when the movie ended and it said he was the director
also thought it was funny that 1/3 of the people left at the end..another 1/3 left after thanos appeared..and then there were just a few of us for the final scene.
people are stupid..are you in that big of a hurry to get to your car you don't watch the entire movie you just paid $13 for?
Posted on 5/7/12 at 7:01 am to CAD703X
I have an awful loose interpretation of genres so my top five comic/super hero/graphic novels/whatever movies would be:
1. Batman Begins
2. V for Vendetta
3. Sin City
4. The Dark Knight
5. The Avengers
1. Batman Begins
2. V for Vendetta
3. Sin City
4. The Dark Knight
5. The Avengers
Posted on 5/7/12 at 7:28 am to Tom288
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He gets his arse handed to him by everyone, even Captain America.
False, captain america started to get his arse beat until Iron man showed up.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 7:36 am to HideChaKidz
Oh god damnit, again with the section by section a-hole replies, this is why I stopped reading the other thread.
I just wanted to come in here and talk about superheroes.
The best line anyone has uttered at all about this movie is LSUFreek earlier in this thread.
It's freaking popcorn, popcorn damnit. We know popcorn is bad for you and some of the kernels get stuck in your teeth but that doesn't mean occasionally I don't want some damn good popcorn.
I just wanted to come in here and talk about superheroes.
The best line anyone has uttered at all about this movie is LSUFreek earlier in this thread.
It's freaking popcorn, popcorn damnit. We know popcorn is bad for you and some of the kernels get stuck in your teeth but that doesn't mean occasionally I don't want some damn good popcorn.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 7:48 am to RonBurgundy
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He represnts the audience in five movies.
we're talking about coulson, right? the government stooge who lied and manipulated people to make super weapons?
that guy doesn't represent me
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maybe, but The Avengers do.
dude...
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Doesn't matter if you think it's fair, the viewer knows they can't die.
hell, i didn't know in THAT movie that magneto would leave charles. i didn't know if mystique would go with magneto or be more in line with the comics
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You can't argue for the lack of tension in The Avengers and claim different rules for the "serious film".
um, that's not what we're doing
your attempt to make the 2 arguments into 1 basically is like me saying "well i know ruffalo got signed to 6 more hulk movies, so he couldn't die." it's using information outside of the movie itself
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Oh and your grandparents or (great grandparents)don't love you if you hate Captain America.
i wouldn't really care. i'm not close to either set of grandparents and never was
Posted on 5/7/12 at 7:50 am to Jumbeauxlaya
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It's freaking popcorn, popcorn damnit. We know popcorn is bad for you and some of the kernels get stuck in your teeth but that doesn't mean occasionally I don't want some damn good popcorn.
and i'll reply with this in a similar manner to the other thread: popcorn can never be amazing, even if it's perfectly made with perfect ingredients. there is a ceiling to popcorn
Posted on 5/7/12 at 8:06 am to SlowFlowPro
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and i'll reply with this in a similar manner to the other thread: popcorn can never be amazing, even if it's perfectly made with perfect ingredients. there is a ceiling to popcorn
So don't eat it, go have some steak somewhere else.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 8:11 am to SlowFlowPro
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The Watchmen (if this counts)
Complete waste of my time. Movie was pure crap..
Posted on 5/7/12 at 8:11 am to Jumbeauxlaya
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So don't eat it, go have some steak somewhere else.
you completely missed the point
most everyone likes a little popcorn here or there. there's nothing wrong with popcorn (if you avoid eating it in excess)
but, popcorn can never be that ruth's chris ribeye
many of y'all are assuming that i don't eat popcorn...but i do. i just don't get excited when i eat really good popcorn and say it's better than that medium rare ribeye sizzling with the garlic butter sauce
This post was edited on 5/7/12 at 8:13 am
Posted on 5/7/12 at 8:13 am to Catman88
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Complete waste of my time. Movie was pure crap..
The watchmen was a better film than the Avengers, and I'm one of the ones defending the avengers in here.
The Watchmen was a 90% on a steak scale, but by it's inherent property of being a steak is a better FILM than a 95% on the popcorn scale (avengers)
Posted on 5/7/12 at 8:14 am to SlowFlowPro
But when you do eat popcorn you don't sit there after it and say.. yeah.. this popcorn was the greatest popcorn I've ever eaten but it's still worse than a decent steak.
Which is what you're doing to this movie.
Which is what you're doing to this movie.
Posted on 5/7/12 at 8:17 am to SlowFlowPro
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i'm asking for a logical, rational, operational definition for each of these genres to divide the movies up to compare within the genre
Film genres are a bit hard to nail down (hence the other thread only on genres), since they don't rely on some singular, easy to manage two-line definition.
You have to look at style, pace, camera shots, critical elements, writing, etc. All of that. but most importantly, what seems to be the director's intent?
Just think about the feel of difference between Spider-Man 2 and The Dark Knight. Or the idea that Watchmen, American Splendor and Sin City were ALL about bringing the comic to life, literally and almost to a fault.
If the primary purpose of the film is to bring the comic book (or best possible filmic representation of it) to life, then you have a comic book film.
This often, not always to a huge fault, yes makes it SEEM like the more serious in tone a film the less it is a comic book movie. Comic books, while traditionally for kids, are going to have less complex stories. But look at Sin City. Not for kids, but the purpose was literally to film the movie as a comic, to put it's pages on screen in the purest sense.
TDK is far removed from that. It was more in common with Heat and Inception than it does with Superman or Spider-Man 2.
Side note: yes, First Class is a comic book film. No it's not better than the Avengers, just different. And I can't believe you're defending the characters in FC while bashing the Avengers. Who outside of Mystique and Magneto has any truly interesting turn? Again, you're being harder on Avengers just to stem the tide. FC is a great film too.
This post was edited on 5/7/12 at 8:17 am
Posted on 5/7/12 at 8:21 am to Freauxzen
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And I can't believe you're defending the characters in FC while bashing the Avengers. Who outside of Mystique and Magneto has any truly interesting turn?
well it's a significant step up from anyone on the avengers, imho
but i like the acting, direction, story, and drama more
both did an excellent job of NOT jumping right into the movie though, which i always like. exposition is often lost in movies dealing with comic content
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