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re: Sicario
Posted on 2/28/24 at 11:20 pm to Honest Tune
Posted on 2/28/24 at 11:20 pm to Honest Tune
Just watched this tonight. Such a good movie. Big fan of Brolin and I'll forever be a Del Toro disciple.
To those claiming Blunt's character was annoying.....I think most people here find all women characters annoying, but I feel her reason for being in the film was for the viewer. Her character really offered nothing to the entire operation, and it's revealed that her whole reason for being there was to give the CIA cover to operate on US soil (which after looking it up isn't actually a thing). But I believe she's there to contrast how the CIA operates so we don't just see it as another grimy raw action flick. She's there point out the horror that is happening.
She's literally useless throughout the movie, but she serves her purpose.
To those claiming Blunt's character was annoying.....I think most people here find all women characters annoying, but I feel her reason for being in the film was for the viewer. Her character really offered nothing to the entire operation, and it's revealed that her whole reason for being there was to give the CIA cover to operate on US soil (which after looking it up isn't actually a thing). But I believe she's there to contrast how the CIA operates so we don't just see it as another grimy raw action flick. She's there point out the horror that is happening.
She's literally useless throughout the movie, but she serves her purpose.
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Posted on 2/29/24 at 10:29 am to topcat88
One of the central themes of the movie is the question about whether it's ok to fight on the terms of an evil enemy.
The cartels are violent, lawless and evil. Blunt's character wants to fight them.
As she learns about how we're fighting them, she realizes we are also doing violent and lawless stuff. So she reacts, and that fleshes out the question: can you go too far fighting fire with fire and become like the evil you're fighting?
Sicario is a great movie in part because it presents the question without easy answers and lets the viewer decide. Some viewers may say yes, you have to do what you have to do. Some viewers might say it just adds more violence to an unwinnable war.
Blunt's character is good and necessary because she highlights the points where things might be going too far and makes the viewer consider them.
The cartels are violent, lawless and evil. Blunt's character wants to fight them.
As she learns about how we're fighting them, she realizes we are also doing violent and lawless stuff. So she reacts, and that fleshes out the question: can you go too far fighting fire with fire and become like the evil you're fighting?
Sicario is a great movie in part because it presents the question without easy answers and lets the viewer decide. Some viewers may say yes, you have to do what you have to do. Some viewers might say it just adds more violence to an unwinnable war.
Blunt's character is good and necessary because she highlights the points where things might be going too far and makes the viewer consider them.
Posted on 2/29/24 at 10:32 am to Rep520
I think it would've been better with boobies..
Posted on 2/29/24 at 11:54 am to Rep520
Way better put than what I said.
But really, I had to think about it some more and the only real contribution she made is not getting shot by that rogue Mexican agent at the border crossing. Other than that, she's just reacting to everything.
But I think she did a great job.
But really, I had to think about it some more and the only real contribution she made is not getting shot by that rogue Mexican agent at the border crossing. Other than that, she's just reacting to everything.
But I think she did a great job.
This post was edited on 2/29/24 at 11:54 am
Posted on 2/29/24 at 12:30 pm to sicboy
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But really, I had to think about it some more and the only real contribution she made is not getting shot by that rogue Mexican agent at the border crossing. Other than that, she's just reacting to everything.
But I think she did a great job.
I agree with that...I think she is there to react.
She's supposed to be a vehicle for the eye opening experience of realizing the violence of the cartels, then the disillusionment of America using troubling tactics to fight the cartels.
So, totally agree. She's there to react and be shocked by the cartel violence. She reacts to that by committing to fight the cartels.
Then, she gets misled about what the fight is and realizes the people on our side are operating outside the law and killing people. She reacts to that and questions whether we've gone too far in response.
She's very reactive as a main character and I think it's smart because the audience is supposed to see it through her eyes, react with her and then reach their own judgment about whether it's ok to fight fire with fire.
Posted on 2/29/24 at 12:35 pm to topcat88
That’s a very strange reaction, imo.
Blunt is good in that movie. The character makes sense for the story.
She’s not a robot.
Blunt is good in that movie. The character makes sense for the story.
She’s not a robot.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 12:19 am to topcat88
Watched it tonight for the first time. Although she ultimately was proven somewhat right in her hesitancy to join with them at the start, I do think she was too self-righteously sure of herself early on.
I don't know, it's 10 years old now and perhaps anything back then seems hopelessly naive now. It doesn't seem possible for anybody to actually be shocked at what the players in that battle (on any side) are doing.
Solid 3/4. Brolin's character was a little tropey.
I don't know, it's 10 years old now and perhaps anything back then seems hopelessly naive now. It doesn't seem possible for anybody to actually be shocked at what the players in that battle (on any side) are doing.
Solid 3/4. Brolin's character was a little tropey.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 4:08 am to topcat88
I thought it was great. And she gets laid out for acting like that. It’s not like she didn’t suffer consequences for being annoying.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 7:00 am to Big Scrub TX
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I don't know, it's 10 years old now and perhaps anything back then seems hopelessly naive now. It doesn't seem possible for anybody to actually be shocked at what the players in that battle (on any side) are doing.
When Sicario was made, things were much worse because Mexico was basically in a civil war with the cartels at the time (which they ultimately lost).
Posted on 1/27/25 at 7:15 am to GetCocky11
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Her character is necessary so we can have the whole debate.
I thought Daniel Kaluuyas character was a better though.
Rarely does a first reply encapsulate all that needs to be said.
I concur.
Her character is also meant to be the pov of the audience getting thrown into a situation over their heads
Posted on 1/27/25 at 7:19 am to topcat88
she's annoying but, they actually used her as bait because she's a woman. Shane from TWD could have killed her before del Toro showed up.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 8:50 am to Rep520
quote:
She's very reactive as a main character and I think it's smart because the audience is supposed to see it through her eyes, react with her and then reach their own judgment about whether it's ok to fight fire with fire.
Being reactive is her only course of action. She is totally in the dark, only realizing things at the same time as the audience does. So when people say she is 'useless', yeah thats correct in a way. She isn't there because they need her, its just so her agency is represented.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 8:58 am to topcat88
She was an important part of the plot.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 9:35 am to SlowFlowPro
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wut
I don't know who needs to hear this, but I'll make it clear: Josh Brolin, Alejandro, et al are not the good guys
The protagonist doesn't need to be the "good guy", just the central driver of the story.
In this case, I think it's clear that Alejandro is the one driving that plot.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 10:16 am to SlowFlowPro
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which they ultimately lost
Just for clarity, who is "they" being referred to in the parenthetical? Mexican govt or the cartels?
Posted on 1/27/25 at 11:02 am to topcat88
Not much to add but I love this movie.
Wasn't that the entire point of her character? The CIA is using her; she bitches about being left in the dark and acts irrationally.
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She is bitching constantly about the job. You volunteered for this lady. Take your orders and do your fricking job.
Wasn't that the entire point of her character? The CIA is using her; she bitches about being left in the dark and acts irrationally.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 11:16 am to MorbidTheClown
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hey actually used her as bait...Shane from TWD could have killed her before del Toro showed up.
Alejandro warned her not to go into the bank. She baited herself when she was seen by cartel on the bank cameras.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 11:17 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Things were worse then? Is that even true? Either way, that's not the point I was making. I was trying to say it's just common knowledge how over the top the situation is there, so it struck me as quaint that she was horrified that the US's tactics might have gotten dark also.
When Sicario was made, things were much worse because Mexico was basically in a civil war with the cartels at the time (which they ultimately lost).
Posted on 1/27/25 at 12:17 pm to topcat88
Welp. Thanks to this thread, need to rewatch Sicario 1 and 2.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 12:25 pm to A Menace to Sobriety
So did Brolin only sit there and watch Del Toro rape Guillermo or did he tag in and get some action too?
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