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re: The Human Centipede
Posted on 4/28/10 at 11:15 am to Sophandros
Posted on 4/28/10 at 11:15 am to Sophandros
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Slight hijack here. Would you say that a person who advocates torture is a sick, twisted individual? Would you say that a person who LAUGHS at torture and compares it to frat party pranks is a sick, twisted individual?
Dick Cheney awaits this answer.
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Posted on 4/28/10 at 11:17 am to BROffshoreTigerFan
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Beating by several different men to start off. She started off tied to a chair, but the chair quickly broke and they started stomping on her on the floor.
After a few minutes of that, the turned to degrading tactics. Spitting, pissing, (scat was involved). When they tired of that, they brought out blades, and cut on her for pretty much the remainder of the movie.
Last 10 minutes were the worst. She was awake and alive when they started amputating her right arm, and amputating is not the right word to use. It was more just being hacked off. When she passed out, head came off.
I don't see any way a normal, well-adjusted individual sits through any of what you just described.
If you don't know IMMEDIATELY that you aren't going to sit there and watch that, you are in a bad place emotionally and mentally.
Stephen King is my favorite fiction writer, btw.
For the guy who is talking about us "torturing" terrorists for information, that's a good way of illustrating the difference in the torture found in, say, Taken, vs the torture we're talking about here. The torture in Taken had a point and was for a purpose. If you can't see the difference b/t that (and water-boarding) and stuff like "human centipede" then you are simply not engaging in critical thinking.
Posted on 4/28/10 at 11:17 am to BROffshoreTigerFan
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BROffshoreTigerFan
I couldn't have sat through that. I watched Cannibal Holocaust and didn't think anything of it but what you desribed is too far for me.
Posted on 4/28/10 at 11:50 am to uway
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I don't see any way a normal, well-adjusted individual sits through any of what you just described.
Normal is one of those tricky words. What's normal to you might not be normal to me, or vice versa. And what's normal to me, isn't normal to Wes Craven, or Tom Six (writer of the Human Centipede).
If you knew me personally, you may or may not see me as normal, or well adjusted, or in tune with reality. I don't need to sit here and say I'm not a murderer. I know I'm not.
Without including the snuff video I described, I don't see much of a difference in the person that reads Stephen King, Dean Koontz or Richard Laymon (who pushes the subject a little more than the previous two I listed) and the person that watches Misery, or Hostel, or The Human Centipede.
I watched it mostly out of curiousity than anything else.
Would I watch another one, if given the chance?
Probably not. It's a split reason, being that I've already seen one and that even I think that watching those types of movies (Snuff being real, as opposed to a movie being fake) does frick with your head more.
I can watch The Human Centipede because I know it actually didn't happen.
Posted on 4/28/10 at 11:52 am to Cdawg
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I watched Cannibal Holocaust and didn't think anything of it
Same here. I actually thought it was pretty good, and wasn't just greusome or over the line just for the sake of doing it.
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I don't see any way a normal, well-adjusted individual sits through any of what you just described.
If you don't know IMMEDIATELY that you aren't going to sit there and watch that, you are in a bad place emotionally and mentally.
You're making some pretty broad strokes for how mentally and emotionally stable other people are. And you're basing that solely on YOUR personal beliefs or feelings. And that's not fair (and is pretty selfish IMO).
I am desensitized to a lot of shite. I can sit there and watch someone die and not blink an eye. Does that make me cool? Of course not. Does it make me emotionally or mentally unstable? Nope. And it sure as hell doesn't make me less of a decent person than someone who can't sit through something like that. Hell, some of the things I watch stay with me for a while (like the DP video or the Daniel Pearl/Nick Berg beheadings). I chalk it up to a morbid curiosity, and it's certainly not for everyone. But that doesn't mean in ANY way that the person who can sit there and sit through a torture video is less moral or emotionally stable than someone who can't.
I've seen the Dnepropetrovsk Maniacs video, and I sat through it okay. Did it disturb me? Of course it did...it's fricked up what those kids did to that poor man. But watching it (or being able to sit through a viewing of it) doesn't say anything about me and my conscience (or my mental/emotional state) other than the fact that I can take watching fricked up shite better than others may be able to. And you know me personally and can vouch for my mental state.
This post was edited on 4/28/10 at 11:57 am
Posted on 4/28/10 at 11:53 am to Lacour
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On an aside, I'm surprised there's never been one of these types of movies made about the Nazi medical experiments during WWII.
The things I've read about Dr. Josef Mengele will turn your blood cold.
there is a "little" bit at the Holocaust museum. If i recall, there are TV's set on the floor looking up and the whole area around the TV's are walled up to about mid-chest of an adult. Keeps kids from seeing it. No sound, just video. fricked up shite
Posted on 4/28/10 at 12:21 pm to BROffshoreTigerFan
You are more ashamed of watching a bad comedy than a real live person being murdered on film?
That right there pal shows that you are fricked up in the head.
Seriously, you lost 100% credibility with that statement.
Just the thought of snuff makes me ill and you are more ashamed of watching a bad comedy than someone dying.
You are sick and just don't know it.
That right there pal shows that you are fricked up in the head.
Seriously, you lost 100% credibility with that statement.
Just the thought of snuff makes me ill and you are more ashamed of watching a bad comedy than someone dying.
You are sick and just don't know it.
Posted on 4/28/10 at 12:22 pm to ChicagoTiger
I have also seen Cannibal Holocaust and I doubt Human Centipede can match it, now, for awful things that happen.
I don not think we need to even see The Human Centipede. It's pretty obvious what goes on in it. It's now just a matter if you feel up to seeing it for the gruesome value.
I don not think we need to even see The Human Centipede. It's pretty obvious what goes on in it. It's now just a matter if you feel up to seeing it for the gruesome value.
Posted on 4/28/10 at 12:25 pm to CocomoLSU
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And you're basing that solely on YOUR personal beliefs or feelings. And that's not fair (and is pretty selfish IMO).
I don't concede that it's just my personal belief that it's f'd up to WANT to watch a real live person be tortured and murdered.
There is a gray area for stuff like Human Centipede b/c the viewer knows it's not real. I still think anybody who seeks out shite like that should seriously think about their motivations for it, but I'm not saying it makes you a bad person.
I mean, we all slow down and gawk at car accidents, but you can't think that the part of you that drives that behavior is a part of you that you want to encourage.
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ut that doesn't mean in ANY way that the person who can sit there and sit through a torture video is less moral or emotionally stable than someone who can't.
If I used the word "stable", I take it back. It's not about stability.
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. And you know me personally and can vouch for my mental state.
I know that you're a good guy, but if you would choose to sit there and watch what BROffshoreTiger described just for the hell of it, then I would say it would take a lot of convincing for me to think that things are cool in cocomo-land.
Posted on 4/28/10 at 12:27 pm to TigerMyth36
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You are more ashamed of watching a bad comedy than a real live person being murdered on film?
That right there pal shows that you are fricked up in the head.
Maybe you had a bit of trouble understanding my sarcasm in that statement. It was more so to make fun of a shitty movie, and was said tongue in cheek.
I'm sorry you chose to take my statement the wrong way. And perhaps I could give a shite less what kind of credibility I have with you, anyway.
Posted on 4/28/10 at 1:01 pm to uway
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uway
So what do you say about the millions who watched the video of the reporter getting beheaded in Afghanistan?
Posted on 4/28/10 at 1:07 pm to Sophandros
So, does a person who reads about people getting dismembered and ripped to shreds by wild animals by wild animals and/or other human beings count as a sick person?
What if it's a person who reads about children getting ripped to shreds by wild animals? Is that person fricked up in the head if he claims that a book with such graphic violence is is favorite book?
What if it's a person who reads about children getting ripped to shreds by wild animals? Is that person fricked up in the head if he claims that a book with such graphic violence is is favorite book?
Posted on 4/28/10 at 1:15 pm to Sophandros
I have no intention of watching a snuff film but I think those that watch one are more curious about human nature. I would think the non rape-dungeon having viewers watch more to see the other peole in the video and their reactions instead of the victim. Granted, if a pattern of watching such videos develops then serious issues are present but if someone watches one I don't think it is that big of deal
Posted on 4/28/10 at 1:16 pm to Sophandros
I literally made a coworker sick by showing him this thread.
I have achieved much today. Thanks be to ya.
I have achieved much today. Thanks be to ya.
Posted on 4/28/10 at 1:22 pm to Lacour
Anything we can do to help ya, we are glad to do so.Posted on 4/28/10 at 1:27 pm to BROffshoreTigerFan
I think it sucks that this abortion gets a 6 page thread, but Kick-arse largely gets ignored.
Posted on 4/28/10 at 1:31 pm to Volvagia
Half of these 6 pages have been people that don't watch these types of movies calling people that do watch these types of movies crazy/unstable/indecent/immoral.
The other half is split 90/10. 10% being about the actual movie, and the other 90% being the people that do watch these types of movies saying that we're not crazy/unstable/indecent/immoral.
But I am really pumped to see Kick-arse when I do get the chance to!
The other half is split 90/10. 10% being about the actual movie, and the other 90% being the people that do watch these types of movies saying that we're not crazy/unstable/indecent/immoral.
But I am really pumped to see Kick-arse when I do get the chance to!
Posted on 4/28/10 at 1:48 pm to BROffshoreTigerFan
BTW, I saw the trailer for this several months ago, and it seems to me like a train wreck--you may not initially want to see it, but then you're just drawn into it.
But I have a friend who's directed a few low budget indy films and documentaries, and I got to see one of her films on the body modification subculture (piercings, metal implants, and more disturbing). Some of the stuff there is really whacked out and it's REAL, yet you can't stop watching it.
The person who watches something whacked out isn't the one with the problem. The person COMMITTING whacked out acts and the person who is aroused by watching or participating in these acts is the one with a problem.
Watching out of curiosity = no problem.
Watching for pleasure = problem.
HC seems one of those movies that you watch once because it's bizarre, but you don't rewatch over and over because you like it--unless you're kind of disturbed.
But I have a friend who's directed a few low budget indy films and documentaries, and I got to see one of her films on the body modification subculture (piercings, metal implants, and more disturbing). Some of the stuff there is really whacked out and it's REAL, yet you can't stop watching it.
The person who watches something whacked out isn't the one with the problem. The person COMMITTING whacked out acts and the person who is aroused by watching or participating in these acts is the one with a problem.
Watching out of curiosity = no problem.
Watching for pleasure = problem.
HC seems one of those movies that you watch once because it's bizarre, but you don't rewatch over and over because you like it--unless you're kind of disturbed.
Posted on 4/28/10 at 1:51 pm to Sophandros
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So, does a person who reads about people getting dismembered and ripped to shreds by wild animals by wild animals and/or other human beings count as a sick person?
That's different for a lot of reasons. Mostly b/c it's not human cruelty. "Eaten by a lion" is not the same as "tortured and beheaded" by men.
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What if it's a person who reads about children getting ripped to shreds by wild animals?
For what purpose? Research on animal behavior and ways to prevent such occurrences?
If it's just for entertainment value, then that is a sick bastard. I assume you're going to lay some name on me of some Republican that likes that sort of thing, but IDGAF.
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So what do you say about the millions who watched the video of the reporter getting beheaded in Afghanistan?
If I had chosen to watch that, it would have been like me choosing to watch a movie about the Bataan Death March. I wouldn't watch for the cruelty, but to make sure I had a clear understanding of the enemy and to in a way honor the fallen. I can't speak for the millions who watched it and their motivations.
I can't speak for BROffshoreTigerfan's motivations either. I just think he should think about his own reasons for watching that shite.
This post was edited on 4/28/10 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 4/28/10 at 1:54 pm to BROffshoreTigerFan
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BROffshoreTigerFan
So has this intervention made you realize you are, in fact, a serial murderer hiding in the closet?
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