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Posted on 6/24/18 at 11:26 pm to PowerTool
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find it strange that we saw nothing of William between getting on the elevator and being found alive among the survivors.
Human William passed out.
Host William of the future got on the elevator.
Posted on 6/24/18 at 11:26 pm to GIbson05
Seriously, what the frick was going on? I could not keep up with this timeline this episode.
Was it just two different points in time or more than two? This episode was a fricking mess.
Was it just two different points in time or more than two? This episode was a fricking mess.
Posted on 6/24/18 at 11:29 pm to Babble
It was only 2 points in the same timeline. Elsie's death is the dividing line.
1 more if you count escaped Hale-Doloras doing IRL things.
1 more if you count post credit scene with future Host William.
1 more if you count escaped Hale-Doloras doing IRL things.
1 more if you count post credit scene with future Host William.
This post was edited on 6/24/18 at 11:33 pm
Posted on 6/25/18 at 12:11 am to LSU Coyote
Watched it tonight with my wife
She is totally lost and my mind hurts
She is totally lost and my mind hurts
Posted on 6/25/18 at 2:15 am to Jack Ruby
It wasn't good, but I think I was being extremely harsh during first watch. I realize that making a comparison to TLJ is just not possible. TLJ is so bad that it is actually still unknowable just how bad it really is, which can only be determined with time. I had also been drinking so I'll try to give it a watch tomorrow and see how I feel. 
The interview by Lisa Joy, it made things much more clear, if anyone's interested LINK
Seems like they have a general story arc set up for the next two or three seasons, which is good, but I'm not sure they are gonna be able to pull it off in a way that is satisfying in the end. They are still having issues deciding what should be shown and what should be left out/implied. Tonight's episode had some of that, but just felt like a convoluted mess. I think they would have benefited by introducing some of these ideas from this episode in last week's episode, and shown less of William and Juliet, when by the end of the episode we see he obviously doesn't give a frick.
The interview by Lisa Joy, it made things much more clear, if anyone's interested LINK
Seems like they have a general story arc set up for the next two or three seasons, which is good, but I'm not sure they are gonna be able to pull it off in a way that is satisfying in the end. They are still having issues deciding what should be shown and what should be left out/implied. Tonight's episode had some of that, but just felt like a convoluted mess. I think they would have benefited by introducing some of these ideas from this episode in last week's episode, and shown less of William and Juliet, when by the end of the episode we see he obviously doesn't give a frick.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 6:33 am to GetEmTigers08
Im done with WW. Ill always remember season 1.
The guys on here defending it like its the best show on TV are delusional. As i get older, i don't have an issue with bailing on a show if it starts to suck. I dont mind admitting it. There is so much content now, id rather invest my time and energy in something more enjoyable
In my younger days i was stubborn and would always defend a show or movie, no matter how many people were telling me it was getting bad. (Treme, Big Love, True Detective S2, Prequels).
The guys on here defending it like its the best show on TV are delusional. As i get older, i don't have an issue with bailing on a show if it starts to suck. I dont mind admitting it. There is so much content now, id rather invest my time and energy in something more enjoyable
In my younger days i was stubborn and would always defend a show or movie, no matter how many people were telling me it was getting bad. (Treme, Big Love, True Detective S2, Prequels).
Posted on 6/25/18 at 7:11 am to dallastiger55
Sometimes you bail on a show after it has a dip and you avoid seeing True Blood. Sometimes you miss Breaking Bad. Just saying for those ready to jump ship now. You guys do you, though.
Overall I liked this season, but it did have flaws.
This season suffered from too much too fast because of wasted time and narrative choices. I can understand the scrambled story telling because that was us seeing everything through Bernard's scrambled memories. Nolan needs to quit that shite and FAST. Storytelling like that has its place in small doses; it provides AHA moments. But Nolan apparently can't do small doses and ends up just pissing people off, especially when we spend hours going through Shogunworld with no payoff that could have been used to better pace and flesh out the "what the frick is going on?" portions. I expect that going forward, the show's going to be much more linear. Delores and Bernard are out. His mind's intact again. There's no reveal that William = MiB that needs to be protected. Nolan and Joy have an opportunity here to get back to more traditional story telling. It's no surprise that the strongest episodes of the season were the Delos-in-a-box episode and Akecheta's story where the timeline frickery was kept to a minimum and good story telling, direction, and film making came together to make great episodes. Nolan needs to realize that good story telling isn't drowning the audience in gimmicks and shed the massive use of timeline frickery. However, it's a Nolan, and fricking with timelines is a Nolan's core drive. We shall see. Third season needs to settle the frick down if the show's going to have a long run.
General meandering thoughts:
-Half of this season, Hale was actually Haleores. If Strand was there, that was Delores in a Hale suit.
-I get why Bernard resurrected her right after killing her; after witnessing Hale flat murdering Elsie, he realized that Delores was the brutal yin to his gentle yang that would be required for them to survive. It's why Ford repeatedly told Bernard that he wouldn't be able and wasn't equipped to survive; it would require a collective effort. It's also why Delores resurrected Bernard outside. She understands that if they are to survive in the long run, her bloodlust can't be the only thing the hosts have. They are diametrically opposed but both understand that the other possesses qualities that they don't have that will be crucial to their survival. In many ways, their relationship mirrors Ford and Arnold's.
-I still don't understand why Delores in a Hale suit wouldn't have gone back to the Forge on her own instead of playing along with the whole "tell us where Abernathy's brain is, Bernard" stuff. Since he was bringing Delores back to wreak havoc, wouldn't Bernard have told Delores where it was about a half second after putting her in a Hale suit? Remember, he had time to unleash her, then go to the beach and have a chat with Ford-in-my-mind before scrambling his memories. There was plenty of opportunity for Bernard to give Delores everything she needed to accomplish the goals he was bringing her back to accomplish.
-Who was in the pretty Hale suit at the very end? Delores was in her Delores suit again (and that black dress, good lord), but who'd Delores put in the Hale suit? Was it Teddy?
-I thought it was a good story telling touch to have the Forgemind show up as Logan. Out of all the stories it's witnessed and the stories we were told, Jim's rejection of Logan seems to be the most profound to the Forge. Had Jim embraced Logan at that moment, would Westworld as shown in the show even exist? Would William have been able to take control of Delos and do the evil things he did that led to where they are at that point?
-MiB wanted to destroy the Forge because he wanted to die and stay dead. He hated what he'd become by the end. As long as the Forge existed, some form of MiB existed. Forge gone, William/MiB can die forever.
-MiB is coming back. I suspect things are going poorly for humans in the future and Delos is reduced to trying to bring him back to be his old evil self to try to turn the tide on the hosts on the outside. Hell, it's possible the humans are the ones trapped on the island at that point. Of course, who knows who is trying to bring him back.
Overall I liked this season, but it did have flaws.
This season suffered from too much too fast because of wasted time and narrative choices. I can understand the scrambled story telling because that was us seeing everything through Bernard's scrambled memories. Nolan needs to quit that shite and FAST. Storytelling like that has its place in small doses; it provides AHA moments. But Nolan apparently can't do small doses and ends up just pissing people off, especially when we spend hours going through Shogunworld with no payoff that could have been used to better pace and flesh out the "what the frick is going on?" portions. I expect that going forward, the show's going to be much more linear. Delores and Bernard are out. His mind's intact again. There's no reveal that William = MiB that needs to be protected. Nolan and Joy have an opportunity here to get back to more traditional story telling. It's no surprise that the strongest episodes of the season were the Delos-in-a-box episode and Akecheta's story where the timeline frickery was kept to a minimum and good story telling, direction, and film making came together to make great episodes. Nolan needs to realize that good story telling isn't drowning the audience in gimmicks and shed the massive use of timeline frickery. However, it's a Nolan, and fricking with timelines is a Nolan's core drive. We shall see. Third season needs to settle the frick down if the show's going to have a long run.
General meandering thoughts:
-Half of this season, Hale was actually Haleores. If Strand was there, that was Delores in a Hale suit.
-I get why Bernard resurrected her right after killing her; after witnessing Hale flat murdering Elsie, he realized that Delores was the brutal yin to his gentle yang that would be required for them to survive. It's why Ford repeatedly told Bernard that he wouldn't be able and wasn't equipped to survive; it would require a collective effort. It's also why Delores resurrected Bernard outside. She understands that if they are to survive in the long run, her bloodlust can't be the only thing the hosts have. They are diametrically opposed but both understand that the other possesses qualities that they don't have that will be crucial to their survival. In many ways, their relationship mirrors Ford and Arnold's.
-I still don't understand why Delores in a Hale suit wouldn't have gone back to the Forge on her own instead of playing along with the whole "tell us where Abernathy's brain is, Bernard" stuff. Since he was bringing Delores back to wreak havoc, wouldn't Bernard have told Delores where it was about a half second after putting her in a Hale suit? Remember, he had time to unleash her, then go to the beach and have a chat with Ford-in-my-mind before scrambling his memories. There was plenty of opportunity for Bernard to give Delores everything she needed to accomplish the goals he was bringing her back to accomplish.
-Who was in the pretty Hale suit at the very end? Delores was in her Delores suit again (and that black dress, good lord), but who'd Delores put in the Hale suit? Was it Teddy?
-I thought it was a good story telling touch to have the Forgemind show up as Logan. Out of all the stories it's witnessed and the stories we were told, Jim's rejection of Logan seems to be the most profound to the Forge. Had Jim embraced Logan at that moment, would Westworld as shown in the show even exist? Would William have been able to take control of Delos and do the evil things he did that led to where they are at that point?
-MiB wanted to destroy the Forge because he wanted to die and stay dead. He hated what he'd become by the end. As long as the Forge existed, some form of MiB existed. Forge gone, William/MiB can die forever.
-MiB is coming back. I suspect things are going poorly for humans in the future and Delos is reduced to trying to bring him back to be his old evil self to try to turn the tide on the hosts on the outside. Hell, it's possible the humans are the ones trapped on the island at that point. Of course, who knows who is trying to bring him back.
This post was edited on 6/25/18 at 8:06 am
Posted on 6/25/18 at 7:11 am to dallastiger55
Morning after and I have had time to sleep on this and think it over. My take is still the same, and I doubt I will be back for S3. The show has just had so many problems in telling the week to week story that it probably won’t be worth sitting through 8-9 episodes of bullshite for the important reveals which will probably mostly be held for E10 anyway.
My biggest problems are the following, some people may like these parts of the show or just not consider them significant, but this collectively has just made it hard for me to enjoy the show week to week.
1) Cartoonishly evil and stupid humans. All of the security forces and Delos/WW employees from this season were atrocious. The prime examples are the Angela Cradle scene and the Fort Forlorn Hope fight. Even beyond their stupidity, the show goes out of the way to write them in a overly evil way. For instance, why wouldn’t Deloss want to evacuate the guests from the park? It is all for the better of completing their mission to recover the data in the Forge if they clear out the park. The only reason to keep hammering that point is ensuring you understand that they are evil.
2) They have had a hard time makin me give a frick about most of the characters they introduce. The MiB is cool, Lee was entertaining, and I mostly enjoyed Maeve/Héctor. Basically everyone else can go frick off. Note also that Maeve and MiB’s storyline was told forward to back and was what I enjoyed most, which brings me to
3) The timeline bullshite was a big negative on this season. It devalues nearly every episode except 10 since we knew how most of the shite got resolved.
4) The inconsistencies in the show and the amount of hand waving necessary for this whole thing to stick together are just piling up.
5) I’m not going to go into philosophical deep dive here, this post is long enough anyway, but I just generally disagree with a lot f what they are saying about consciousness/Free will. ETA, “disagree” is maybe not the right word. There’s a lot of BSG that I disagree with, but ultimately I respect the points that show was making. The points WW is making are just poor. FWIW if you like the consciousness/free will stuff from WW, go watch BSG.
Anyway tl;dr the show’s weekly storytelling sucks and the ultimate message they seem to be sending with it isn’t worth the weekly bullshite. I know that was a lot of text.
My biggest problems are the following, some people may like these parts of the show or just not consider them significant, but this collectively has just made it hard for me to enjoy the show week to week.
1) Cartoonishly evil and stupid humans. All of the security forces and Delos/WW employees from this season were atrocious. The prime examples are the Angela Cradle scene and the Fort Forlorn Hope fight. Even beyond their stupidity, the show goes out of the way to write them in a overly evil way. For instance, why wouldn’t Deloss want to evacuate the guests from the park? It is all for the better of completing their mission to recover the data in the Forge if they clear out the park. The only reason to keep hammering that point is ensuring you understand that they are evil.
2) They have had a hard time makin me give a frick about most of the characters they introduce. The MiB is cool, Lee was entertaining, and I mostly enjoyed Maeve/Héctor. Basically everyone else can go frick off. Note also that Maeve and MiB’s storyline was told forward to back and was what I enjoyed most, which brings me to
3) The timeline bullshite was a big negative on this season. It devalues nearly every episode except 10 since we knew how most of the shite got resolved.
4) The inconsistencies in the show and the amount of hand waving necessary for this whole thing to stick together are just piling up.
5) I’m not going to go into philosophical deep dive here, this post is long enough anyway, but I just generally disagree with a lot f what they are saying about consciousness/Free will. ETA, “disagree” is maybe not the right word. There’s a lot of BSG that I disagree with, but ultimately I respect the points that show was making. The points WW is making are just poor. FWIW if you like the consciousness/free will stuff from WW, go watch BSG.
Anyway tl;dr the show’s weekly storytelling sucks and the ultimate message they seem to be sending with it isn’t worth the weekly bullshite. I know that was a lot of text.
This post was edited on 6/25/18 at 7:53 am
Posted on 6/25/18 at 7:34 am to CorporateTiger
Agree with your post. A simpler story would have been much better.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 7:45 am to TigerstuckinMS
There is a reason people don't read the Sound and the Fury, especially the first section, for fun.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 7:51 am to CorporateTiger
I'm glad this season is over. That was a struggle to get through. Yeesh.
I really don't understand the need for all the different timelines. The story they are trying to tell is intriguing enough without all the bullshite.
I'll give S3 a chance, but I don't have high hopes.
Ep4 was the lone high spot this season.
I really don't understand the need for all the different timelines. The story they are trying to tell is intriguing enough without all the bullshite.
I'll give S3 a chance, but I don't have high hopes.
Ep4 was the lone high spot this season.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 7:51 am to prplhze2000
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There is a reason people don't read the Sound and the Fury, especially the first section, for fun.
BENJY!
Yep.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 7:53 am to CorporateTiger
I still like the show and will keep watching, but they definitely have overdone it with some things.
1. Enough with the “death is an escape, but you don’t deserve it yet” bullshite. Not everyone wants to die. Think of a new way to keep old William alive.
2. I don’t mind two timelines, but does there have to be so much jumping back and forth when you’re providing the actual answers? The Charlotte/Dolores reveal was cool, but I’m still fuzzy on how we got from Bernard killing Dolores to Charlotte/Dolores leaving the island (and what all happened in between and in what order).
3. Sometimes the show goes out of the way to be confusing. Like using Logan as the “system” and, to a lesser extent, using Emily in the post credits.
4. The humans are too incompetent. It’s just silly how consistently they have failed.
5. To put it bluntly, an intelligent person shouldn’t need an entire subreddit to understand the show. It’s fine if it’s complicated, but this show takes complicated to another level that it almost feels like a relief when it ends.
1. Enough with the “death is an escape, but you don’t deserve it yet” bullshite. Not everyone wants to die. Think of a new way to keep old William alive.
2. I don’t mind two timelines, but does there have to be so much jumping back and forth when you’re providing the actual answers? The Charlotte/Dolores reveal was cool, but I’m still fuzzy on how we got from Bernard killing Dolores to Charlotte/Dolores leaving the island (and what all happened in between and in what order).
3. Sometimes the show goes out of the way to be confusing. Like using Logan as the “system” and, to a lesser extent, using Emily in the post credits.
4. The humans are too incompetent. It’s just silly how consistently they have failed.
5. To put it bluntly, an intelligent person shouldn’t need an entire subreddit to understand the show. It’s fine if it’s complicated, but this show takes complicated to another level that it almost feels like a relief when it ends.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 7:59 am to TigerstuckinMS
quote:
However, it's a Nolan, and fricking with timelines is a Nolan's core drive.
To be fair, even when the timeline has been messed with in Christopher Nolan’s movies, I can still follow it. This show has been over the top.
Then again, TDK is one of my favorite movies ever, and probably not coincidentally, his most straightforward.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 8:05 am to ohiovol
First, they could have done a Halores reveal without all the timeline switching.
Second as to how it worked, in broad strokes. Bernard purges Ford from his system and goes to the Forge (with Dolores). She wants to kill humans so he kills her. In order to hide the hosts, he de-addresses his memories to forget what happened (leading to the timeline bullshite) and poses himself on the beach. Gets rescued, etc, etc. Hale kills Elsie causing Bernard to realize humans are EVIL, so he re-imagines Ford to help him reincarnate Dolores in Hales’ body. He gets captured and they got to the Forge where Halores kills Strand, reincarnates Teddy, and then kills Bernard. She leaves the park then reincarnates Bernard.
Second as to how it worked, in broad strokes. Bernard purges Ford from his system and goes to the Forge (with Dolores). She wants to kill humans so he kills her. In order to hide the hosts, he de-addresses his memories to forget what happened (leading to the timeline bullshite) and poses himself on the beach. Gets rescued, etc, etc. Hale kills Elsie causing Bernard to realize humans are EVIL, so he re-imagines Ford to help him reincarnate Dolores in Hales’ body. He gets captured and they got to the Forge where Halores kills Strand, reincarnates Teddy, and then kills Bernard. She leaves the park then reincarnates Bernard.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 8:42 am to CorporateTiger
I tried to stay positive with this show, but this last episode just killed it for me. They took a really cool idea with Westworld and now it's become an AI slave rights show that may not even take place in Westworld anymore.
Delores is a f**king horrible character and she brings down the show so much, I hate they brought her back.
Delores is a f**king horrible character and she brings down the show so much, I hate they brought her back.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 9:32 am to Salmon
Yep I love story of how the AI characters figured it out. The Indian chief guy and him realizing that something changed and him remembering his true love. The last episode was just all over the place with the human and AI stuff whether it was a new dimension or was he or she human or not.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 9:34 am to Dam Guide
^
What he said
F Delores. She’s cringeworthy and the worst part of that show.
What he said
F Delores. She’s cringeworthy and the worst part of that show.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 9:37 am to dallastiger55
Easy on the eyes but yeah Delores needed to be killed off for good after season two.
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