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re: Westworld S2 E9: Vanishing Point
Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:50 am to CorporateTiger
Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:50 am to CorporateTiger
What if every single character so far is a host? And for the series finale (whenever that may be) every character dies. After they die, the camera cuts to real, human people watching it unfold on tv all over the world. The whole thing is like a "Truman Show" thing. Basically a set created for robots to run their own world and human's witness them eventually destroy themselves.
Just thought I'd throw another delusional plot out there to go along with everyone else's guesses.
Just thought I'd throw another delusional plot out there to go along with everyone else's guesses.
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Posted on 6/18/18 at 8:59 am to ell_13
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Oh the storytellers absolutely want us to question it
For me the episode viewed to witness the traumatic event which destabilizes the cornerstone of 3 hosts on their path cognisance.
The tragedy experienced by the host is a tool to destroy the self image within the perceived reality. Without a cornerstone to ground a host within reality, the current reality is rendered non-existed. This eliminates the paradox of 2 realities that leads the host to throw an error. The host perception then defaults within the new reality with ever accepting.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 9:23 am to LSU Coyote
Just curious why her name is Emily on the show but on IMDB her character name is Grace? Is it possible that she is not who they have been saying she is? Also she is not on the cast list for the last episode. 
Katja Herbers- IMDB
Katja Herbers- IMDB
Posted on 6/18/18 at 9:23 am to LSU Coyote
Seems like I'm the only one not completely sure, what is he "confessing" to that was on the card? Being a cowboy in the park and killing etc, or the grand scheme of spying on people to make them immortal etc.?
Posted on 6/18/18 at 9:36 am to Spawn
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Also she is not on the cast list for the last episode.
She is dead?!
Posted on 6/18/18 at 9:47 am to Spawn
I assume IMDB is just wrong.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 9:52 am to CorporateTiger
What is the most interesting part of this episode was next weeks preview. Do they tease a reset?
Posted on 6/18/18 at 9:55 am to rebeloke
It’ll be interesting to see. Ep 1.10 certainly recontextualized a lot that season. The finale could do the same here.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:05 am to LSU Coyote
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She is dead?!
So are Ford and about 8 other characters.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 11:18 am to Spawn
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Just curious why her name is Emily on the show but on IMDB her character name is Grace? Is it possible that she is not who they have been saying she is? Also she is not on the cast list for the last episode.
Katja Herbers- IMDB
Herbers stated in an interview that her character's name is Emily Grace. Grace in the parks
Posted on 6/18/18 at 11:33 am to TheChiefHasArrived
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Seems like I'm the only one not completely sure, what is he "confessing" to that was on the card? Being a cowboy in the park and killing etc, or the grand scheme of spying on people to make them immortal etc.?
That Juliet was right when she said that he was the greatest liar of them all and that he was some kind of virus. She thought he was a good guy at first and different from everyone else she knew, but over time she learned that he was a piece of shite and was only playing the good guy and fooling everyone. He was admitting to her that she was right and that she was the only one who had seen that he was a Really Bad Dude (and maybe the worst) and had essentially been faking his entire adult life.
He was admitting to her (and us, and HIMSELF) that he was only ever truly himself in the park and the profile the park had built up of him over the years (on the card that Ford gave him) was a better reflection of who he was than his life and deeds outside the park, though not in language that direct. Not only that, he obliquely was admitting that he never really got over Delores and the first time he saw her. They hinted at this when William looks at the server at the party and we see her from William's POV and she looks like Delores, but then we see another shot of the server from a neutral POV and it's clearly not Delores. All these years later, William is STILL seeing Delores everywhere he looks. Since meeting her, everything he's done in the park, his machinations on the outside to take over the park and keep it running, everything he ever did with Delos Corp. and, ultimately, all the pain he'd caused both in the park and in the "real world" ALL are echoes from that first meeting with Delores on his trip with Logan. William's true self lives in that park and everything he's ever done on the outside is so he could be who he is and chase what he wants on the inside.
Teddy and William reacted very similarly to seeing Delores for the first time, by the way, and almost had very similar ends. shite, we don't know what William found when he cut his arm open and we may well see a shot of nothing in there but flesh and blood right before we see William off himself. Who knows?
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I assume IMDB is just wrong.
Not precisely wrong, but they'll (Showrunners and/or IMBD) mask stuff like that to avoid spoiling anything. Hopkins wasn't listed as a member of the cast this season until he appeared on screen to avoid giving away that Ford would appear in season 2.
This post was edited on 6/18/18 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 6/18/18 at 11:59 am to TheChiefHasArrived
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Seems like I'm the only one not completely sure, what is he "confessing" to that was on the card? Being a cowboy in the park and killing etc, or the grand scheme of spying on people to make them immortal etc.?
It was his profile from all the data they collected on him in the park
Posted on 6/18/18 at 12:04 pm to PowerTool
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Emily simply said her mom left the card for her, not how
Wait, you think they showed her mom put it in a box moments before killing herself and you think she then took it back out of that box and left it for her daughter?
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so it doesn't really gives us a clue about whether she was human or host.
Its clearly meant to.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 12:08 pm to jef443
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Disney can apparently pull together a Star Wars movie faster than hbo can make a new season of a hit show.
It's faster to make a shite product.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 12:12 pm to CorporateTiger
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she wanted her dad to tell her the truth (echoing her mom’s “tell me one true thing”)
They wanted the truth.
They could not handle the truth.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 12:20 pm to jpggpj
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What if every single character so far is a host? And for the series finale (whenever that may be) every character dies. After they die, the camera cuts to real, human people watching it unfold on tv all over the world. The whole thing is like a "Truman Show" thing. Basically a set created for robots to run their own world and human's witness them eventually destroy themselves.
Just thought I'd throw another delusional plot out there to go along with everyone else's guesses.
What if this is all set far in the future and there are no humans alive outside the park, only the hosts playing their games for eternity? Delores or the Indians escape, only to find there is nowhere to escape to.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 12:25 pm to Cap Crunch
Hmm. If William is subject number 2, who do you guys think is subject number 1? It's gotta be Logan, right? That would mean that Logan and William literally were the first two humans in the park after it opened. It doesn't change anything, it just puts them unequivocally at the grand opening of the park after it recovers and rebuilds from Arnold's death.
Also, I just noticed that the card with the profile on it has maze all over it.
This post was edited on 6/18/18 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 6/18/18 at 12:50 pm to TigerstuckinMS
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If William is subject number 2, who do you guys think is subject number 1?
Ford or James Delos would be my guess, but Logan would make sense too
This post was edited on 6/18/18 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 6/18/18 at 1:00 pm to TigerstuckinMS
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That would mean that Logan and William literally were the first two humans in the park after it opened.
Logan has been to the park multiple times before he brought William. That's how he knew about the story-lines.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 1:13 pm to Esquire
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Logan has been to the park multiple times before he brought William. That's how he knew about the story-lines.
That's true. He'd have to be subject 1, then. If Logan was their only paying client and William's the second, that fits in with the park struggling financially and ripe for Delos to swoop in and make a large controlling investment.
This post was edited on 6/18/18 at 1:16 pm
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