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re: Westworld S2E1 - Journey into Night
Posted on 4/23/18 at 7:57 pm to GenesChin
Posted on 4/23/18 at 7:57 pm to GenesChin
Hosts kill other hosts. You think that wasn’t tested? Like the dancing or other behaviors we saw? The hosts malfunctioned dancing. A host killing another host as a malfunction wouldn’t raise any alarms. A host killing a human would, obviously. Why else would Arnold try to stop the park opening in that fashion? Otherwise, he wouldn’t have had to die. The news that “someone died” was a critical point to the origin of this story. There’s no getting around that. And if that person ended up simply being a host, that negates all of those motives and creates a ton of plot holes like I mentioned with Ford letting the park die by keeping that a secret.
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Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:00 pm to GenesChin
You aren’t making sense.
If Ford could create Arnold (the first conscious host in your mind and created before all the others), then why would he need Bernard in the first place? Again, plot holes.
If Ford could create Arnold (the first conscious host in your mind and created before all the others), then why would he need Bernard in the first place? Again, plot holes.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:02 pm to ell_13
Guess it's time to start a crackpot thread.
This post was edited on 4/24/18 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:02 pm to ThatMakesSense
quote:I think that’s a possibility for sure. We see the tiger which was the first “anomaly” and we know that’s where Maeve goes to find her daughter (trailer/preview). I wouldn’t think it’s impossible that she runs into other hosts who have remembered their past.
Now that we know for sure there are other parks. Could there be a Dolores at these other parks as well? Will other worlds hosts be acting in similar fashion to WestWorld?
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:08 pm to GenesChin
So there’s no reason to believe this is Arnold. It’s Bernard only and this is how Charlotte discovers he is a host who has been rebuilt over the years. That is way more likely than your Arnold is a host theory.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:09 pm to GenesChin
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So Ford claiming that Bernard was the key to helping him capture human emotions isn't an inconsistency? Otherwise, how do you explain William at the beginning years of the park being completely sucked into the hosts human qualities/emotions
William was a bitch in the first few episodes, it wasnt until Logan cut Dolores open to show William she was a robot, that William went off the deep end and 'found himself'.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:11 pm to Ed Osteen
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The show will turn into the later seasons of Lost. Just questions after questions without an actual answer to keep viewers involved
LOST was awesome tho.
the fans bitching about answers will turn this show into game of thrones.. all answers and no content.
idgaf if it doesnt all make 100% sense at the end, i'd rather just enjoy the journey
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:13 pm to ell_13
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I think that’s a possibility for sure. We see the tiger which was the first “anomaly” and we know that’s where Maeve goes to find her daughter (trailer/preview). I wouldn’t think it’s impossible that she runs into other hosts who have remembered their past.
Be interesting to see how they act around other hosts from different worlds. Will they know their hosts?
Season 2 will mostly be about the hosts discovering more about themselves, to that point..
Unless I missed something, Dolores said she wanted to show Teddy something, but it was left as a cliffhanger.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:27 pm to ThatMakesSense
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Unless I missed something, Dolores said she wanted to show Teddy something, but it was left as a cliffhanger.
At this point, I get the feeling that Teddy doesn’t fall into step with Dolores’ plans. I’m thinking the Hosts in the sea are those that didn’t survive Dolores’ purge.
At least based on some of the things in that episode. Teddy needing to be shown something...Dolores telling the Indian that not all will make it (or was it deserve?) to see the Valley Beyond.
This post was edited on 4/23/18 at 8:27 pm
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:28 pm to Sasquatch Smash
I thought the last host we saw floating was Teddy?
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:31 pm to ell_13
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I thought the last host we saw floating was Teddy?
It was. I’m saying he is killed through some machination involving Dolores and Bernard (since he says he killed them all) because he doesn’t want to go along with Dolores’ plan of a hostile takeover of ALL worlds.
That all those floating in the sea are purged for not wanting to participate.
Based solely upon those two things I listed in the above post. Probably far from what happens.
This post was edited on 4/23/18 at 8:33 pm
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:32 pm to ell_13
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A host killing another host as a malfunction wouldn’t raise any alarms. A host killing a human would, obviously.
I thought this initially too, but if you rewatch season 1, it never once is given as a rational for Arnold killing himself
In flashbacks
- Arnold claims the blow to Ford will be losing Arnold
- Ford tells Dolores/Bernard that he refused to acknowledge consciousness not that a host actually killed a human
- Arnold makes a point that Dolores needs to kill all the other hosts, if killing other hosts doesn't matter then why do it?
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Why else would Arnold try to stop the park opening in that fashion?
A park with financial problems + expensive hosts to rebuild? Their initial Wyatt storyline being trashed as a potential cause?
Westworld probably couldn't afford any opening delays, rebuild costs + the cost of an entirely new narrative that Arnold helped create
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:34 pm to Sasquatch Smash
I could see that. But until we find Dolores, I’m sticking my theory that Bernard flooded the valley himself. Could he have been at the direction of Dolores or Charlotte? Maybe. This is all part of it. Trying to figure out motives and who wants what and where’s those two align among characters.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:36 pm to GenesChin
Rebuild costs? That’s what you are latching on? When part of the whole structure of the park is rebuilding hosts to put them back in service as quickly as possible?
Wow. I thought you’d have something better than that.
Wow. I thought you’d have something better than that.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:41 pm to ell_13
Your right. It's Teddy in the water. Finished my second watch couldn't tell the first time.
Guess Teddy Flood couldn't swim.
Guess Teddy Flood couldn't swim.
This post was edited on 4/23/18 at 8:42 pm
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:49 pm to ell_13
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Rebuild costs? When part of the whole structure of the park is rebuilding hosts
Not only do they say that the new host builds was a cost cutting move, they also point out that full rebuilds is much more expensive than repair jobs
That is why people like Felix exist, whose job is to repair hosts as a cost effective alternative to a full host rebuild
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put them back in service as quickly as possible?
If it is like most business ventures, the park opening was an investor showcase to solicit additional investment capital
Arnold tells Dolores to kill every host. To rebuild the entire, noted expensive inventory is a big deal
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:52 pm to GenesChin
Shooting a host does not mean a full rebuild, even then. Where do you come up with this?
The reason Arnold says to kill them all is, more simply, is that he hopes it makes it easier to abandon the idea of the park. A human is dead and no hosts are in working order. Why does it have to be more complicated? Is the show not complicated enough?
The reason Arnold says to kill them all is, more simply, is that he hopes it makes it easier to abandon the idea of the park. A human is dead and no hosts are in working order. Why does it have to be more complicated? Is the show not complicated enough?
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:59 pm to ell_13
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A human is dead
Neither Ford nor Arnold in the flashbacks makes reference to a human being dead as a problem that would hinder the park's opening
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is that he hopes it makes it easier to abandon the idea of the park
Because Ford who has dreamed of opening this park with robot hosts is just going to shake it because the hosts all died?
That isn't even remotely plausible
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Shooting a host does not mean a full rebuild, even then. Where do you come up with this?
So a cash strapped organization has the resources & manpower to both rebuild some inventory + repair the rest on short turnaround?
Posted on 4/23/18 at 9:03 pm to ell_13
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I’m sticking my theory that Bernard flooded the valley himself
My thy:
Bernard drowned the hosts, but he didn't flood the park...
It's safe to say Charlotte has known Bernard was a host all along, based on the above pic.
So she names Abernathy as Delos's selected insurance policy against the bots to Bernard, knowing full well he will alert Delores and she in turn will send every host she can arm to protect "her father" from his would-be abductors.
Charlotte waits till all the hosts show up in the pre-determined flood zone (baited by Abernathy's locale) and BOOM! blows a dam, flooding WW and whatever park the tiger washed up from.
Besides, Maeve was the true target, but she disobeyed her programming and got off the train.
Oh, and (ETA) maybe Bernard's warning to Delores was what she wanted to show Teddy...my man was probably the first host on the scene, determined not to let her old man down...AGAIN!...like he did repeatedly with the Milk Men Gang.
This post was edited on 4/23/18 at 9:12 pm
Posted on 4/23/18 at 9:31 pm to GenesChin
quote:Uh. Is this your argument or mine? Of course not. Hence why a human dying is key. Duh. It handcuffs Ford.
Because Ford who has dreamed of opening this park with robot hosts is just going to shake it because the hosts all died?
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