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Posted on 1/23/12 at 1:56 pm to Supravol22
I agree, but I think that Fellowship indulges in some camp during its exposition. Neither it nor Star Wars are perfectly consistent in tone, which you could say works for Lord of the Rings but not its counterpart - since the lightheartedness takes place in the "calm before the storm" stage of Fellowship while it occurs during the climax of Return of the Jedi. I can't choose one or the other based on technique or narrative, so I'm just going with what my nostalgia tells me I would rather watch right now.
Posted on 1/23/12 at 2:00 pm to MSTiger33
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LOTR
By a parsec
Posted on 1/23/12 at 2:00 pm to Muppet
Return of the Jedi got way too lighthearted for me with the Ewoks and crap. I mean you're trying to save the galaxy, it needs to be a more serious movie. Fellowship uses the lighthearted parts to make you care about the characters before the shite hits the fan later in the movie and the following two.
Posted on 1/23/12 at 2:06 pm to Supravol22
Return gave us a preview of one of Lucas's habits of story structure that would only become more egregious in the prequels... He can't help but have comic relief immediately interspersed with what is supposed to be intense drama. He coddles the audience by not allowing it to experience more than a few seconds of arse-clenching at a time.
The ewoks represent this as he started to rely on it a lot, but I honestly don't mind it. To me, the Ewoks are a symbolic manifestation of The Force, with a common thread throughout each movie being the power of the natural and arcane over stark technology. Maybe I'm crazy, but I have never felt that they are completely out of place. There are a few over-the-top cute or slapstick scenes, sure.
The ewoks represent this as he started to rely on it a lot, but I honestly don't mind it. To me, the Ewoks are a symbolic manifestation of The Force, with a common thread throughout each movie being the power of the natural and arcane over stark technology. Maybe I'm crazy, but I have never felt that they are completely out of place. There are a few over-the-top cute or slapstick scenes, sure.
Posted on 1/23/12 at 2:48 pm to Supravol22
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LOTR are some of the best movies ever made, no contest
Eh, this is one of my bigger complaints with LOTR. It stems from what people have said about them being one story broken into three movies. Not one of the three movies is that great on its own. It's a great story in its entirety but they're awful separate.
Posted on 1/23/12 at 2:50 pm to OMLandshark
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Runtime doesn't indicate how much filler is in a film. Some stories need more time to tell, and the Two Towers and Return of the King may have been a little too short actually (theatrical version at least). For instance, what the hell did Jabba's Palace accomplish? They got back Han who in turn does nothing for the rest of the film. That is filler, which is pretty much the first 45 minutes of the film. I can't think of a major scene in the theatrical version that doesn't add to the plot, tone, or character development.
He's Han fvcking Solo. It wouldn't matter if they spent two hours saving him for him to do the Wobble for the rest of the movie. He's one of the most important characters in the trilogy, and that's why it matters that they saved him.
Posted on 1/23/12 at 2:50 pm to MSTiger33
1. Star Wars 4-6
2. LOTR
3. Back to the Future
4. Indiana Jones
2. LOTR
3. Back to the Future
4. Indiana Jones
Posted on 1/23/12 at 3:10 pm to FootballNostradamus
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Eh, this is one of my bigger complaints with LOTR. It stems from what people have said about them being one story broken into three movies. Not one of the three movies is that great on its own. It's a great story in its entirety but they're awful separate.
It is quite simple, galaxy>a few hobbits using the transitive property, Star Wars>LOTR
Posted on 1/23/12 at 3:12 pm to MSTiger33
Star wars.
Lotr: fellowship of the rings puts me to sleep
Lotr: fellowship of the rings puts me to sleep
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Posted on 1/23/12 at 3:23 pm to MSTiger33
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Which is the better trilogy?
All of them... for different reasons.
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1. LOTR
In terms of pure visceral experience, these. They are so awesome, so grand, that they haven't really changed film making at all, because replicating this project would be impossible. But they are awesome for what they were.
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2. Star Wars 4-6
Big enough to be considered giant successes, but grounded enough to have changed the way films were made, the Star Wars trilogy, despite its plethora of flaws, is of infinite importance to film.
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3. Indiana Jones (yes I purposefully left out 4)
Pure adventure, and the best kind of adventure out there. These films truly loved the source materials of old adventure films and dime novels. Great characters, great stories, all about the mysteries of OUR world, far different from the others. We won't see films made like this again either. Give that up to a mostly jaded society.
Posted on 1/23/12 at 9:37 pm to Muppet
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I find that most of the criticisms of Return of the Jedi are hysterical and sometimes disingenuous.
You find the fact that George didn't kill of Han funny solely for merchandising, despite the fact that pretty much everyone around him at the time thought it was a good idea to do so? I think that is a very good and spot on criticism of Jedi.
Posted on 1/23/12 at 9:39 pm to Supravol22
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LOTR are some of the best movies ever made, no contest
Star Wars and Empire are as well, so I don't think this is really the argument that they are some of the best films ever made (hell the first Indy is certainly in the debate as well).
Posted on 1/23/12 at 9:44 pm to FootballNostradamus
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Not one of the three movies is that great on its own. It's a great story in its entirety but they're awful separate.
bullshite. They are all great films on their own terms. Fellowship blew me away when I first saw it, in a manner no film has done before or since. I did not know at the time the film was a trilogy, and couldn't believe how deep the film truly was. Fellowship introduced me to the love of cinema to where I will always be greatful to it.
Posted on 1/23/12 at 9:49 pm to FootballNostradamus
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He's Han fvcking Solo. It wouldn't matter if they spent two hours saving him for him to do the Wobble for the rest of the movie. He's one of the most important characters in the trilogy, and that's why it matters that they saved him.
They should have killed Han off in that sequence, and that alone wouldn't make it filler and great honestly. It would inspire Leia to rise up and truly lead the rebellion. It would inspire Lando to take Han's place in leading the Death Star Raid and destroying it. It would inspire Luke in making amends in defeating the Emperor and Vader. Han didn't do anything badass from that point forward, nor inspire anything. Harrison Ford was pretty much blackmailed into doing the film and was pissed with what they did with his character. Pretty much everyone who knew what they were doing with the franchise knew this was the direction to take the character and the story, but George knew it was going to affect Han Solo action figure sales, so he wasn't having any of that.
Posted on 1/23/12 at 11:04 pm to MSTiger33
there are so many out there that the 3rd ones blew or had more than 3 that should never have. Here is a list of some of the more popular ones.
hannibal lecter trilogy
MI 1-3
mariachi trilogy
blade trilogy
mad max trilogy
terminator 1-3
die hard 1-3
pirates of the carribbean
alien trilogy
evil dead trilogy
bourne trilogy
godfather trilogy
toy story 1-3
And the winner is
Naked Gun 1-3
hannibal lecter trilogy
MI 1-3
mariachi trilogy
blade trilogy
mad max trilogy
terminator 1-3
die hard 1-3
pirates of the carribbean
alien trilogy
evil dead trilogy
bourne trilogy
godfather trilogy
toy story 1-3
And the winner is
Naked Gun 1-3
Posted on 1/23/12 at 11:55 pm to MSTiger33
Star Wars
Indy
LOTR (although I never saw the 3rd one. I heard that was the best one. I liked them a lot but in parts they just seemed to get stale and it would drag on for a while.)
Indy
LOTR (although I never saw the 3rd one. I heard that was the best one. I liked them a lot but in parts they just seemed to get stale and it would drag on for a while.)
Posted on 1/23/12 at 11:56 pm to OMLandshark
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he first Indy is certainly in the debate as well).
My fav by a mile out of all of them.
Posted on 1/24/12 at 12:21 am to OMLandshark
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You find the fact that George didn't kill of Han funny solely for merchandising, despite the fact that pretty much everyone around him at the time thought it was a good idea to do so? I think that is a very good and spot on criticism of Jedi.
No, I find this hysterical. I don't care why Lucas decided not to kill off Han Solo, because I enjoyed his presence in the movie.
It seems that your criticism is directed at George Lucas rather than the film.
Posted on 1/24/12 at 12:42 am to MSTiger33
Peter Jackson did some amazing work with the LOTR trilogy
Having said that, he was gifted an epic story that was fleshed out in great detail whereas Lucas actually created his own stories and adventures before becoming a fat, slimy weasel
So edge to star wars also empire is my favorite movie
Having said that, he was gifted an epic story that was fleshed out in great detail whereas Lucas actually created his own stories and adventures before becoming a fat, slimy weasel
So edge to star wars also empire is my favorite movie
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