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Posted on 12/8/25 at 9:53 pm to Kafka
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Although the Velvet Underground are sometimes portrayed as existing in near-total-obscurity totally out of the mainstream of 1960s rock culture, in fact they intersected with—and sometimes even influenced—many major shakers and movers between 1965 and 1970. Starting with the most famous rock group of all, some of them include:
The Beatles: Brian Epstein, manager of the Beatles, liked the Velvet Underground's first album and was considering getting involved with them in some capacity in 1967. This might have entailed helping arrange for some VU gigs in Britain and Europe—something the Velvets had several opportunities to do while Lou Reed was in the band, but unfortunately something that never came to pass. VU manager Steve Sesnick also tried to interest Epstein in making a publishing deal for the Velvets' songs. But the Velvet Underground decide to hang onto their publishing, and in any case Epstein died on August 27, 1967.
In a semicomic incident, Lou Reed himself met Brian Epstein around spring 1967 when, at publicist Danny Fields's instigation, Reed finagled a cab ride with the Beatles manager in New York in the hopes that some interest in the VU's affairs might be ignited. Evidently nothing came of it, however, other than Epstein sharing a joint with Reed and telling Lou how much he liked the banana album.
In Richard Witts's biography Nico: The Life & Lies of an Icon, she claims to have been in attendance at the private party Brian Epstein threw at his home on May 19 to preview the Beatles' Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band for the press. "There is a song I liked on Sgt. Pepper, called 'A Day in the Life,'" she states in the book. "It has a beautiful song and then this strange sound like John Cale would make (he told me it was an orchestra, actually) and then this stupid little pop song that spoils everything so far. I told this to Paul [McCartney], and I made a mistake, because the beautiful song was written by John Lennon and the stupid song was written by Paul. It can be embarrassing when you speak the truth." The book also reports that she briefly stays in Paul McCartney's home during that May visit.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 12:08 pm to Kafka
Posted on 12/9/25 at 3:00 pm to cgrand
Great photo!
Posted on 12/9/25 at 8:46 pm to Kafka
This clip was removed from Anthology by Disney for being insensitive
Posted on 12/10/25 at 6:22 pm to Kafka
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Thelma Pickles was born in 1941 in Liverpool, England and met future Beatle John Lennon when she became a student at the Liverpool College of Art in 1957.
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When they were together, though, the affinity was special, with a particular emphasis on sick humour. Thelma says categorically that John and she laughed at afflicted or elderly people ‘as something to mock, a joke’. It was not anything deeply psychological like fear of them, or sympathy, she says. ‘Not to be charitable to ourselves, we both actually disiked these people rather than sympathized,’ says Thelma. ‘Maybe it was related to being artistic and liking things to be aesthetic all the time. But it just wasn’t sympathy. I really admired his directness, his ability to verbalize all the things I felt amusing.’ He developed an instinctive ability to mock the weak, for whom he had no patience.
In the early 1950s Britain had National Service conscription for men aged eighteen and over who were medically fit. John seized on this as his way of ridiculing many people who were physically afflicted. ‘Ah, you’re just trying to get out of the army,’ he jeered at men in wheelchairs being guided down Liverpool’s fashionable Bold Street, or ‘How did you lose your legs? Chasing the wife?’ He ran up behind frail old women and made them jump with fright, screaming ‘Boo’ into their ears.
‘Anyone limping, or crippled or hunchbacked, or deformed in any way, John laughed and ran up to them to make horrible faces. | laughed with him while feeling awful about it,’ says Thelma. ‘If a doddery old person had nearly fallen over because John had screamed at her, we’d be laughing. We knew it shouldn’t be done. I was a good audience, but he didn’t do it just for my benefit.” When a gang of art college students went to the cinema, John would shout out, to their horror, ‘Bring on the dancing cripples.’ ‘Children often find that kind of sick humour amusing,’ says Thelma. ‘Perhaps we just | hadn’t grown out of it. He would pull the most grotesque faces and try to imitate his victims.’
Often, when he was with her, he would pass Thelma his latest drawings of grotesquely afflicted children with mis-shapen limbs. The satirical Daily Howl that he had ghoulishly passed around at Quarry Bank School was taken several stages beyond the gentle prodding humour he doled out against his grammar schoolteachers. ‘He was merciless,’ says Thelma Pickles. ‘He had no remorse or sadness for these people. He just thought it was funny.’
Posted on 12/10/25 at 8:30 pm to Kafka
Joe Strummer: "I've found creativity hinges on being well fricked up. Happy people don't create anything."
Posted on 12/10/25 at 8:35 pm to FightinTigersDammit
there's a difference between being unhappy and being an a-hole
Posted on 12/10/25 at 8:38 pm to Kafka
Unhappy people can often be assholes.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 8:42 pm to FightinTigersDammit
quote:and often they're just unhappy and don't sadistically terrorize people
Unhappy people can often be assholes
Posted on 12/10/25 at 8:47 pm to Kafka
Sometimes they do.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 12:06 pm to FightinTigersDammit
That still doesn't make it right. ...if true
Ftr, Thelma Pickles was just a groupie. She tried to bang all of the Beatles at one time or another. ...she claims she did John, Paul and Brian Jones.
I'd take whatever she claims as very questionable.
Ftr, Thelma Pickles was just a groupie. She tried to bang all of the Beatles at one time or another. ...she claims she did John, Paul and Brian Jones.
I'd take whatever she claims as very questionable.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 12:21 pm to hogcard1964
I never said that it made anything right. Its a bad look for Lennon, if true.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 12:40 pm to FightinTigersDammit
Definitely
Posted on 12/11/25 at 3:42 pm to hogcard1964
quote:The exploits in question were prior to The Beatles.
Ftr, Thelma Pickles was just a groupie.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 3:46 pm to FightinTigersDammit
quote:Lennon aping disabled people has been a known part of his early repertoire always. Pickles seems to put a much more sinister spin on it, which I'm not sure if it's true or not.
I never said that it made anything right. Its a bad look for Lennon, if true.
In any event - including things like hitting women - IMO, Lennon more than made up for early transgressions...both by explicitly admitting to and rueing early behaviors as well as becoming a friend and supporter of women/the downtrodden/etc.
To give you a sense of how often he did this stuff, look at this clip from A Hard Day's Night, when - of all songs - he makes his "retard" face to Ringo at the beginning of If I Fell.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 6:36 pm to Kafka
An in depth radio interview w/Mal Evans - apparently the last interview he ever gave
Interview from Dec 1975; ME died on Jan 5 (despite the video title, he was not murdered)
Interview from Dec 1975; ME died on Jan 5 (despite the video title, he was not murdered)
Posted on 12/11/25 at 6:58 pm to Big Scrub TX
Yes, it was in 1958. She hooked up with Paul in 1960.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 10:13 pm to Kafka
quote:could have been from his sessions for Rock and Roll
Demo - date unknown to me
late 1973-early 1974
Posted on 12/12/25 at 5:22 pm to Kafka
quote:and sometimes brines
Thelma Pickles
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