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re: Grohl > Cobain
Posted on 4/19/12 at 8:17 am to Baloo
Posted on 4/19/12 at 8:17 am to Baloo
My main argument against him being a great songwriter is place him in any other musical era and would he still have garnered that reputation? I don't believe he would have.
Yet just for comparison take Lennon and mcartney or bob dylan or any of your other greats and place them in any musical climate and their success would still lead them to greatness.
I think if he doesn't put a shotgun in his mouth cobain would still be a name today but looked at more akin to vedder and pearl jam. His story behind his death is what turned him into a multi generational icon.
Yet just for comparison take Lennon and mcartney or bob dylan or any of your other greats and place them in any musical climate and their success would still lead them to greatness.
I think if he doesn't put a shotgun in his mouth cobain would still be a name today but looked at more akin to vedder and pearl jam. His story behind his death is what turned him into a multi generational icon.
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Posted on 4/19/12 at 8:20 am to CottonWasKing
He wrote great pop songs with dark lyrics.
Listen to the melodies. They are extremely simple. That was on purpose. They were purposely writing simple songs. They wanted it kept simple.
Nirvana was also one of the best touring bands around. They put on a show!
Cobain was fun to watch. Never knew what he'd do during a set.
Listen to the melodies. They are extremely simple. That was on purpose. They were purposely writing simple songs. They wanted it kept simple.
Nirvana was also one of the best touring bands around. They put on a show!
Cobain was fun to watch. Never knew what he'd do during a set.
Posted on 4/19/12 at 8:25 am to TheDoc
You could replace the word cobain with vedder and nirvana with pearljam and that statement would still hold true hence my comparison of the two.
Posted on 4/19/12 at 8:27 am to CottonWasKing
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My main argument against him being a great songwriter is place him in any other musical era and would he still have garnered that reputation? I don't believe he would have.
Certainly hypothetical, but I think he would have. There's always been a place for the misfit slightly out of step with what is popular when he first started writing. He'd be in that tradition of Ray Davies to Alex Chilton to Joe Strummer to John Doe to D Boon. Maybe not all household names, but all great songwriters.
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Yet just for comparison take Lennon and mcartney or bob dylan or any of your other greats and place them in any musical climate and their success would still lead them to greatness.
Would they be successful in other eras? Would the Beatles be as popular today as a new band? Would a folk troubadour have the massive success ad popularity of Dylan? He'd be just as great if not as many people bought Bringing It All Back Home, but I don't see that as an album that would sell real well today. Everyone, to some degree, is the product of their time.
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I think if he doesn't put a shotgun in his mouth cobain would still be a name today but looked at more akin to vedder and pearl jam. His story behind his death is what turned him into a multi generational icon.
Possibly, but I think he was already an icon. He might be on the level of Michael Stipe instead of this higher plane, but he'd still enjoy a huge reputation, like he did during his life.
Posted on 4/19/12 at 8:30 am to Baloo
Oh he would still be name people recognized and a name that some people adored but I don't think he would have ever reached this deity like status that he has garnered after his death which lead 16 year olds who've only listened to Teen Spirit and heartshaped box label him the greatest songwriter of all time.
Posted on 4/19/12 at 8:35 am to CottonWasKing
By the same token, do stupid 16 year olds still worship John Lennon if he doesn't get shot? Or Jimmy Hendrix if he stops drinking? The death cult is part of the appeal of a lot of 60s icons as well. Jim Morrisson is the grand champion of this halo effect.
I think its best to largely disregard the opinions of 16 year olds.
I think its best to largely disregard the opinions of 16 year olds.
Posted on 4/19/12 at 8:39 am to CottonWasKing
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He never wanted this mainstream attention so to claim that he "smoothed" the edges is folly imo.
You're wrong though. As That's why Butch Vig was brought in on Nevermind. GQ had a good article on the 20th anniversary and interviews with everyone involved explaining the process. Kurt wanted it but it was a case of being careful what you wish for.
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My main argument against him being a great songwriter is place him in any other musical era and would he still have garnered that reputation?
That's the problem. His voice was of that particular moment in time.
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Yet just for comparison take Lennon and mcartney or bob dylan or any of your other greats and place them in any musical climate and their success would still lead them to greatness.
I'll disagree with you on Dylan. I say you are comparing him to the 2 greatest. Put any artist up against Lennon and Mcartney and the results would be the same.
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his death is what turned him into a multi generational icon.
Like Jimi and Janis?
Posted on 4/19/12 at 8:42 am to CottonWasKing
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You could replace the word cobain with vedder and nirvana with pearljam and that statement would still hold true hence my comparison of the two.
Negative. Vedder wishes he was half the songwriter Cobain was.
Posted on 4/19/12 at 8:45 am to Baloo
Hendrix and Lennon I think so. But I have to go do some actual work. Ill gladly continue this discussion when I get off
Posted on 4/19/12 at 8:46 am to TheDoc
Watching the nevermind documentary, butch vig showed Cobain and grohls vocals isolated from the music. It was pretty spooky 
Posted on 4/19/12 at 8:46 am to CottonWasKing
I'm trying to avoid work. Enjoyed it. To be continued...
Posted on 4/19/12 at 8:47 am to TheDoc
quote:What are the best examples of his writing?
half the songwriter Cobain was.
Posted on 4/19/12 at 8:53 am to AlxTgr
I'm not the biggest nirvana fan, but anything they've ever done blows pearl jam away IMO.
Posted on 4/19/12 at 8:58 am to CocoLoco
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I'm 22, but 90% of the music I listen to is from before I was born anyway. I have heard a lot of his stuff, he isn't impressive to me. Just my opinion.
You claim that Cobain's appeal was due to his death, but you weren't around to understand his influence BEFORE his death. That's the point. You're talking out of your arse on this one.
Posted on 4/19/12 at 9:06 am to AlxTgr
quote:Here is one:
What are the best examples of his writing?
I'm not like them but I can pretend
The sun is gone and I have a light
The day is done and I'm having fun
I think I'm dumb
Maybe just happy
I think I'm just happy
I think I'm just happy
I think I'm just happy
My heart is broke and I have some glue
Help me inhale and mend it with you
We'll float around, hang out on clouds
Then we'll come down
Have a hangover
Have a hangover
Have a hangover
Have a hangover
Skin the sun, fall asleep
Wish away, soul is cheap
Lesson learned, wish me luck
Soothe the burn, wake me up
I'm not like them but I can pretend
The sun is gone and I have a light
The day is done and I'm havin' fun
I think I'm dumb
Maybe just happy
I think I'm just happy
I think I'm just happy
I think I'm just happy
I think I'm dumb
I think I'm dumb
I think I'm dumb
Posted on 4/19/12 at 9:16 am to Scoop
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Grohl > Cobain
Overall, yes. Grohl may be the best rockstar of the last two decades.
Cobain was a better song writer.
However, Cobain was not as good a writer as Billy Corgan, who, IMO, was the best musician of the grunge/alternative era.
Posted on 4/19/12 at 9:22 am to Antonio Moss
quote:Who couldn't hold Adam Duritz's jock in a suitcase.
not as good a writer as Billy Corgan
Corgan was a good writer, but his voice is whiny and grating.
Posted on 4/19/12 at 9:23 am to Antonio Moss
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However, Cobain was not as good a writer as Billy Corgan, who, IMO, was the best musician of the grunge/alternative era.
I'd have to agree.
Posted on 4/19/12 at 9:25 am to Roaad
quote:
Who couldn't hold Adam Duritz's jock in a suitcase.
Posted on 4/19/12 at 9:26 am to Roaad
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Who couldn't hold Adam Duritz's jock in a suitcase.
Counting crows are a great live band. Or were.
But the pumpkins destroy the counting crows
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