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re: PRS Guitars
Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:07 am to auggie
Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:07 am to auggie
quote:
None of this is absolute
This is correct.
So much of an artist's tone is in his fingers. Also, amps and speakers play a HUGE part of tone. Most touring bands are playing at blistering levels which just isnt possible for bedroom playing.
As for an Amp, a Fender Princeton Reverb is about as good as it gets. The put your favorite pedals in front.
I'll say for my "72-74" Jerry Garcia rig, my set up is:
-Fender Strat with firebird pickups (so a bit hotter pickup than a regular single coil strat, but not a humbucker.)
-cheapo $30 Amazon pedal - Rowin Boost
-Analogman TS9 Tubescreamer
-Analogman Dual Delay
-Fender Princeton Reverb stock
This rig will get you 72-74 Jerry tones all day. I do not use the TS9 much, as the Rowin Boost pedal has a gain knob, and that after the firebird pickups somewhat do the same as Jerry's Strat o Blaster he had in his Alligator guitar.
** A big part of Jerry's tone and Dickie Betts in ABB's tone is the JBL speaker. No longer produced, but Weber speakers makes the California which is the same as the JBL.
Good luck!!
This post was edited on 2/24/23 at 8:09 am
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Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:12 am to bawbawbaw350
quote:
OK, here's a real dumb question.
Not really. Most folks don't shop for/buy a lot of guitars.
quote:
. Why is there such a huge price discrepancy between the entry-level SE series to higher-end McCarty or PRS Studio? Is it really that much better hardware; or more esthetics?
I'm mainly talking about solid-body electrics here, because that is where this huge variance of options is, whether it be tuners, pups, etc.
Nation of origin is huge. A virtually identical guitar to a U.S. made could be made for a fraction in Asia, even in Japan (although that is less true as we go along). Korea, Mexico, Indonesia and Japan all have a guitar manufacturing industry and you can find excellent examples of guitars from those nations.
However, most manufacturers reserve their best woods, best electronics, best finishes for their premium line (whether that be higher end Japanese guitars or U.S. made or whatever), because there is also a higher profit margin in the premium such guitars are able to fetch.
So, you can take a MIM Fender and, effectively, upgrade it to near U.S. specs electronically, and if it is otherwise solid, you can shave some dollars off what you're out to get it there, but it will never fetch U.S. made prices in the secondary market because of subjective impression. (Using Fender as the classic example, I would then defer to The Fret Shack's experience with handling actual examples of PRS foreign models.)
If you are a collector or a purist, that might make a difference. If your budget constricts you to non-U.S., then it many cases a very good player can be put together for less than a premium U.S. made guitar would cost. The ultimate arbiter of what is "better" is you.
This post was edited on 2/24/23 at 8:15 am
Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:22 am to Fishwater
Thanks for the insight!
As weird as this may come across, I really like Jerry's 1980s sound...
I played a Fender Tone Master Twin Reverb a few weeks ago and really liked it.
But will check on reverb to see if Weber is available.
As weird as this may come across, I really like Jerry's 1980s sound...
I played a Fender Tone Master Twin Reverb a few weeks ago and really liked it.
But will check on reverb to see if Weber is available.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 10:30 am to bawbawbaw350
Do you really need a solid state twin? That's more amp than 90% of any of us need.
I'm a self admitted tube amp snob. I agree w the recommendation to grab a Princeton Reverb. Takes pedals nicely.
And if you play a large music venue, mic it.
I'm a self admitted tube amp snob. I agree w the recommendation to grab a Princeton Reverb. Takes pedals nicely.
And if you play a large music venue, mic it.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 11:14 am to BayouBlitz
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Do you really need a solid state twin?
IDK. That's a good question. I've never played a tube amp. When I say I only played acoustic for 30+ yrs, I really mean it.
The only amps I've ever own were practice amps. A Peavey way back when I started playing in the 80s. Then I bought a Fender Acoustimaster Jr in the late 90s for my Taylor. Never used it.
Then about 5ish years ago I bought a cheap little Fender Mustang amp. And 2 years ago I bought a Positive Grid practice amp.
I've never played a tube amp.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 11:51 am to bawbawbaw350
Do you have a guitar store nearby where you can demo a few? There's a reason why most pros play tube amps. And they hold their value pretty well.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 12:02 pm to Ace Midnight
When it comes to what’s “good”, that’s entirely up to the listener.
I would rank importance as:
1. Amp
2. Pickups
3. Pedals
Everything after that is relatively minimal as far as tone is concerned.
When picking a guitar, what you’re looking for is:
1. Comfort to play, does it FEEL right?
2. Tone, does it have the pickups you want?
3. Tuning stability, does it stay in tune?
4. Looks, does it look the way you want to present yourself?
My advice is to find the guitar that feels right, with tuning stability and the style pickups you want, and looks relatively like what you want, and then upgrade the pickups to exactly what you want if you can’t buy it that way stock. If you don’t care about resale and collectibility, just go for the best feeling instrument at the best price. PRS is a great option for LP-style guitars because actually Gibson LP’s have a design flaw that makes them difficult to maintain tuning stability. PRS solved that by having a slightly different scale, so they stay in tune much better.
I would rank importance as:
1. Amp
2. Pickups
3. Pedals
Everything after that is relatively minimal as far as tone is concerned.
When picking a guitar, what you’re looking for is:
1. Comfort to play, does it FEEL right?
2. Tone, does it have the pickups you want?
3. Tuning stability, does it stay in tune?
4. Looks, does it look the way you want to present yourself?
My advice is to find the guitar that feels right, with tuning stability and the style pickups you want, and looks relatively like what you want, and then upgrade the pickups to exactly what you want if you can’t buy it that way stock. If you don’t care about resale and collectibility, just go for the best feeling instrument at the best price. PRS is a great option for LP-style guitars because actually Gibson LP’s have a design flaw that makes them difficult to maintain tuning stability. PRS solved that by having a slightly different scale, so they stay in tune much better.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 1:45 pm to bawbawbaw350
quote:
Thanks for the insight!
As weird as this may come across, I really like Jerry's 1980s sound...
I played a Fender Tone Master Twin Reverb a few weeks ago and really liked it.
But will check on reverb to see if Weber is available.
If you're new to electric guitar and amps, here is a good bit of info to know.
Tube Amps have more power than a solid state amp. So, a 12 watt tube amp will blow away a 12 watt solid state amp.
If you're just playing at the house, go with a Tube Princeton Reverb. There is no need for a big arse Fender twin even if you're gigging.
Jerry 80's tone: To get that 80's Jerry tone, get you the Boss DS1 distortion pedal and a mini-mutron pedal or another type envelope filter. I'd also throw in a Klon pedal clone like the Octonaut Hyderdrive or the one by Ceriatone. Those Klon pedal add a ton of clarity like Jerry's tone had. And a clean boost pedal.
I'll say this again, just get a Princeton Reverb tube amp, it will be PLENTY of volume! Trust me.
This post was edited on 2/24/23 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 2/24/23 at 5:46 pm to Fishwater
I would love to have a Princeton or a 5E3. I have a hand wired Victoria Bassman and Custom 68 Vibrolux Reverb that are both phenomenal amps, but are also painstakingly loud. Luckily, I live in the country and can crank my amps, but even still I mostly play through my Axe FX 3. Got me a Hx stomp that just arrived a minute ago that I'm gonna try out this weekend running through a small pair of monitors.
Posted on 2/25/23 at 10:29 am to Fishwater
quote:
I'll say this again, just get a Princeton Reverb tube amp, it will be PLENTY of volume! Trust me.
You sold me. My main concern w/ getting a new amp is that they're so damn big and loud... way more than I'll ever need.
And I appreciate your suggestions for pedals. I have a Donner Octave Guitar Pedal (and a Donner loop station), along w/ a wah pedal.
The looper has a drum machine too... really fun for practicing rifts.
Posted on 2/25/23 at 11:40 am to bawbawbaw350
Princetons aren't big or overly loud. You can get overdrive without blowing your windows out. And the don't break your back.
Posted on 2/25/23 at 11:52 am to bawbawbaw350
As for a pedal to get the Jerry 80's tone, you may want to check out this Dire Wolf pedal I saw discovered this morning: LINK
Posted on 2/27/23 at 11:46 am to BayouBlitz
I started looking at Fender 68 Custom Princeton Reverb amps on reverb and I favorited one that was listed for $1299.
I just got an email from the seller offering to drop the price from $1299 to $1079, free shipping.
Wonder if that's the best deal available.
I just got an email from the seller offering to drop the price from $1299 to $1079, free shipping.
Wonder if that's the best deal available.
Posted on 2/27/23 at 4:59 pm to bawbawbaw350
That's a pretty good deal. They will generally cut the asking price 5% to 7%.
Nice amp.
Nice amp.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 11:17 am to bawbawbaw350
I took lessons as a kid, and have always played around. Have an acoustic, but gave my mexi-tele to a young cousin years ago who plays. Just got my son (8) a Squier mini-strat and he's learning now. I've got the bug again and really eyeing a PRS for me to play along with my son and maybe hand down to him when he outgrows the mini-strat. I really don't have a preference on styles. I'm no true guitar player, but may look to take lessons with my son to get back into it. Question to the board, would you buy a SE Custom 24, or an SE Silver Sky? Can't make up my mind.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 11:44 am to Jon A thon
I'm probably not who you're asking, since I was the one asking too.
But- with the SE Silver Sky, those plastic-looking tuners totally turn me off. I know you can swap them out, but I just don't like it.
And this is purely personal preference, but if I'm going to invest in a PRS, I want it to look like one. Again, that's just opinion... I even don't want to get a color that's not the original sunburst style.
But- with the SE Silver Sky, those plastic-looking tuners totally turn me off. I know you can swap them out, but I just don't like it.
And this is purely personal preference, but if I'm going to invest in a PRS, I want it to look like one. Again, that's just opinion... I even don't want to get a color that's not the original sunburst style.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 12:37 pm to Jon A thon
If you lean towards rock, I'd steer you Custom 24 for its humbuckers.
If you lean towards blues or country, I'd steer you Silver Sky for its single coils.
If you lean towards blues or country, I'd steer you Silver Sky for its single coils.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 12:47 pm to TheFretShack
What about compared to say a Fender Player Strat HSS. A little "best of both worlds" with the bridge humbucker. Only reason looking at PRS over the Fender originally is just seeing a lot of good reviews of what you get for the price on the PRS.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 6:22 pm to Jon A thon
HSS works for some but not all. As a rule of thumb, humbuckers have twice the output of traditional single coils. Subsequently the most common complaint from many HSS owners is that a good singing H is so much louder than vintage/traditional SSes most players want. So much that it requires a dynamics-robbing compressor/sustainer/limiter pedal or rack unit to regulate the volumes switching between the pickup selections.
Pertaining to other "fixes," low output Hs sound anemic and defeat the purpose of having the H in the first place. Overwound or stacked singles lose the classic glassy original Fender sound in the beefing-up process.
I have a custom low-medium output wind four-conductor (splittable) Carondelet humbucker I wind specifically for HSS owners that does a good job of leveling the HSS output playing field. But it's not a solution, I'd consider it more of a compromise ... that will still leave some folks' wishes or needs unfulfilled.
Pertaining to other "fixes," low output Hs sound anemic and defeat the purpose of having the H in the first place. Overwound or stacked singles lose the classic glassy original Fender sound in the beefing-up process.
I have a custom low-medium output wind four-conductor (splittable) Carondelet humbucker I wind specifically for HSS owners that does a good job of leveling the HSS output playing field. But it's not a solution, I'd consider it more of a compromise ... that will still leave some folks' wishes or needs unfulfilled.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 7:25 pm to TheFretShack
Haha, too late. Bought a Custom 24 SE on the way home from work. I have an impulse problem. Plus I really liked the charcoal they had and got 10% off......and I have an impulse spending problem, did I mention that? But I love it so far.
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