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re: Where does the Grateful Dead rank?

Posted on 6/26/12 at 4:33 pm to
Posted by CottonWasKing
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Posted on 6/26/12 at 4:33 pm to
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If this is true they would have been able to write a decent song since Houser died and I'm thinking of about two or three that are decent.


I really don't think that Dirty Side Down was as bad as everyone makes it out to be. I also thought Earth To America was a pretty good album as well.

WSP could play the hundreds of songs they already have in their catalog for the rest if their career for all I care. They will still be one of the greatest live acts in the world as we know it today.
Posted by TFTC
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Posted on 6/26/12 at 4:52 pm to
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Actually, the only bands I can think of that would score real high on all four would be REM and the Beastie Boys.


I consider Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band, a band and they tick all those boxes...

He has had a solo career, but the phenomenon and dynamism of his live shows doesnt happen with out all the parts
This post was edited on 6/26/12 at 5:03 pm
Posted by CottonWasKing
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Posted on 6/26/12 at 5:11 pm to
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I consider Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band, a band and they tick all those boxes... He has had a solo career, but the phenomenon and dynamism of his live shows doesnt happen with out all the parts



Look we all know you love Bruce and thats ok but he is not anywhere close to the level of influence that the Grateful Dead garnered in their prime. Is he a Top 10 artist? Probably. Is he Grateful Dead caliber? No. Just No.
Posted by TFTC
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Posted on 6/26/12 at 5:14 pm to
That point was made to Baloo's post about American bands that have all those metrics... not in comparing him to the dead...

And you're kidding yourself if you don't think Bruce is as big or surpasses the freaking dead...
Posted by CottonWasKing
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Posted on 6/26/12 at 5:17 pm to
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And you're kidding yourself if you don't think Bruce is as big or surpasses the freaking dead...



As far as popularity? Sure Bruce is more than likely as popular if not more so than the dead.

As far as influence? No. fricking. Way.
Posted by Souljah
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Posted on 6/26/12 at 5:18 pm to
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And you're kidding yourself if you don't think Bruce is as big or surpasses the freaking dead...


No. Springsteen's fanbase is limited to people in their 50s and New Jersey natives. The Dead have a much wider audience range and still-growing fanbase.
Posted by TFTC
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Posted on 6/26/12 at 5:19 pm to
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As far as influence? No. fricking. Way.


Yes and it really isn't close... from rock, to pop, R&B, folk, singer-songwriter and indie music and more...
Posted by CottonWasKing
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Posted on 6/26/12 at 5:21 pm to
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folk



I know you just did not cite Bruce fricking Springsteen as a bigger folk influence than the Grateful Dead.


GTFO
Posted by TFTC
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Posted on 6/26/12 at 5:25 pm to
I was speaking of all the different areas of music he has touched and influenced and he is widely regarded in that genre (one example, see the seeger sessions)...

I know you love the dead, and they are influential... but you are way underestimating Springsteen's reach...

Posted by TFTC
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Posted on 6/26/12 at 5:27 pm to
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Souljah


I know your post is a piss take, as you tend to do... but you are quite wrong
Posted by CottonWasKing
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Posted on 6/26/12 at 5:28 pm to
And please tell me which of those genres The Dead didn't touch on?

I understand he is a successful musician and all but when was the last time you heard his name mentioned with The Doors, Beach Boys, CCR and ABB? Not counting you mentioning him btw.

The Grateful Dead are quite regularly included in that company. So its not just me who thinks you're batshit insane in this regard.
Posted by TFTC
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Posted on 6/26/12 at 5:33 pm to
all the time, maybe not on this particular forum.

Love the BB and CCR, the ABB are ok and cant stand The Doors...

just because you arent aware of it, doesnt make it less true..
Posted by CottonWasKing
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Posted on 6/26/12 at 5:38 pm to
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the ABB are ok and cant stand The Doors...



I'm officially done with this conversation with you.

Posted by TFTC
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Posted on 6/26/12 at 5:47 pm to
thats about right...

the doors
This post was edited on 6/26/12 at 5:52 pm
Posted by Marciano1
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Posted on 6/26/12 at 7:42 pm to
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the ABB are ok

WTF?

Posted by CottonWasKing
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Posted on 6/26/12 at 7:57 pm to
That is the moment when I decided that his musical opinion meant absolutely frick all to me
Posted by Marciano1
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Posted on 6/26/12 at 8:02 pm to
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That is the moment when I decided that his musical opinion meant absolutely frick all to me

That was my reaction as well. There is no way someone can listen to them (especially live) and say they're simply "ok".

That band is greatness on every level....even now without Duane and Dickey Betts.
Posted by danman6336
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Posted on 6/26/12 at 8:12 pm to
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Phish best years were 97-01
No, no they weren't. Those were the downswing years. '97 is amazing with the slow funk and all around great playing, but frankly it was all a slow decline from there, mostly related to the band's increased drug usage, especially Trey. I mean I can barely listen to the "ambient" garbage in '99-'00, that stuff bores me to tears.

To say pre-97 Phish is all 3 band members just backing up Trey is utterly ridiculous. Have you listened to some of the 40+ Tweezers from 94-95? I'm talking like Crazy innovative playing from the whole band, with different ideas just flowing from one to the other the whole time, often with very little "lead" guitar parts going on at all.

Phish is a band in that all four members play together. Not like the Dead, where all four members just sort of play stuff at the same time, or like Panic where every song sounds exactly the same and it's just Jimmy playing millions of tweedle-deedle-deedle notes over and over again for a whole show, it's a cohesive unit on stage with Phish.
Posted by CottonWasKing
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Posted on 6/26/12 at 8:41 pm to
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Panic where every song sounds exactly the same and it's




Wha- I mean, I don't even. I'm not even going to bother going there
Posted by Souljah
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Posted on 6/26/12 at 9:05 pm to
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Souljah



I know your post is a piss take, as you tend to do... but you are quite wrong


Wow some hipster writer decided that Arcade Fire and Bruce Springsteen are the greatest thing ever.

Animal Collective (a much better "indie" band than Arcade Fire) sampled the Grateful Dead for What Would I Want? Sky .

You also said you don't like the Doors (plus the fact you are championing Springsteen- one of the most overrated artists ever), so whatevs, you already established you don't have a good taste in music.
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