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re: 2021 Lakers Thread
Posted on 1/30/22 at 2:49 pm to The_Duke
Posted on 1/30/22 at 2:49 pm to The_Duke
No team is ever winning anything significant with Anthony Davis as their best player. The Lakers will find out.
Davis, Giannis and Embiid can all put up the exact same numbers in a game but, for whatever reason, Giannis and Embiid have a WAY bigger impact on winning than Davis ever has.
Our W/L record when Davis was here was not about a lack of talent. It was about Davis being a top 5 talent, but having the impact of a middle of the road player.
Davis, Giannis and Embiid can all put up the exact same numbers in a game but, for whatever reason, Giannis and Embiid have a WAY bigger impact on winning than Davis ever has.
Our W/L record when Davis was here was not about a lack of talent. It was about Davis being a top 5 talent, but having the impact of a middle of the road player.
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Posted on 1/30/22 at 3:58 pm to The_Duke
Pels about to have two top 10 picks?
Posted on 1/30/22 at 4:32 pm to eyeran
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It was about Davis being a top 5 talent, but having the impact of a middle of the road player.
I think there’s some exaggeration in this. AD had some absurd years where he had absolutely zero help. He’s soft and isnt on the level on Giannis and the others, but saying we were bad because of him and not because of lack of talent is an awful take.
Go ahead and try to name the best people he played with on the pels. Name one guard that was good besides Jrue
Posted on 1/30/22 at 4:42 pm to Kerchek
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Pels about to have two top 10 picks?
Not unless Bron misses the rest of the season
Posted on 1/30/22 at 5:24 pm to Pelefraan 1
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Not unless Bron misses the rest of the season
He had an MRI--they only found swelling but the fact they did the MRI in the first place is a huge sign. If they start slipping even further or he feels like he cant win it all you know he'll shut it down--like the did the last year Bi played there.
Fingers crossed
Posted on 1/30/22 at 6:36 pm to LilWezyAna
quote:Stop it.
saying we were bad because of him and not because of lack of talent is an awful take.
Go ahead and try to name the best people he played with on the pels. Name one guard that was good besides Jrue
Jrue, Gordon, Tyreke, Anderson, Boogie, Randle
Nobody's saying we should have been competing for championships, but Davis had plenty enough talent to not be picking in the lottery every season.
Guy had at least one solid number 2 player every year but his rookie season. For any other "top 5" player thats enough to at least go .500. We didn't even play competitive basketball 5 of his 7 years.
Posted on 1/30/22 at 7:32 pm to eyeran
I mean if we had all those players together healthy that would be one thing.
But even though I don’t particularly like AD and agree with many of the criticisms, the team was built like shite and never healthy.
I mean the first go was: Jrue(injured for several season), Gordon(also injury prone), Evans(immature and unwilling to play team focused offense, the amount of times he would iso drive and end up taking a circus shot only to let the opposing team have an easy 5 on 4 because he’s on his arse was maddening), Ryno, who was nice but also injured often, and not an ideal fit next to AD, Asik(what more needs to be said?).
Then you had the Solomon Hill era and the Boogie era ended with Gentry running Boogie’s achilles to its literal breaking point with his stupid pace for pace’s sake bullshite.
But even though I don’t particularly like AD and agree with many of the criticisms, the team was built like shite and never healthy.
I mean the first go was: Jrue(injured for several season), Gordon(also injury prone), Evans(immature and unwilling to play team focused offense, the amount of times he would iso drive and end up taking a circus shot only to let the opposing team have an easy 5 on 4 because he’s on his arse was maddening), Ryno, who was nice but also injured often, and not an ideal fit next to AD, Asik(what more needs to be said?).
Then you had the Solomon Hill era and the Boogie era ended with Gentry running Boogie’s achilles to its literal breaking point with his stupid pace for pace’s sake bullshite.
Posted on 1/31/22 at 6:40 am to Bronc
2018-2019 Season coming off a sweep of Portland and a competitive series against the Durant Warriors
AD was already plotting his exit in the summer.
Pels start the next year 4 or 5-0. AD gets a bruise and instead of sitting one game like a normal player, sat for 2 weeks and then we were like 5-5.
Then the rest of the games he did play, he had some of the worst 4th quarters I’ve ever seen. AD was literally pissing away games left and right.
Then he demanded a trade.
Meanwhile, shitty arse, flawed Portland that we swept the previous year grinded all year and made the WCF.
frick AD. He’s not even in the same league as Giannis or Embiid as a player. Or even Dame for that matter.
Guy has zero leadership, zero pain tolerance and hasn’t been a plus jump shooter since his 3rd year in the league (other than the Mickey Mouse bubble).
Like what does AD even work on in the offseason? Guy’s offensive game has steadily gotten worse since his 3rd year in the league. And his athleticism isn’t what it used to be either.
AD was already plotting his exit in the summer.
Pels start the next year 4 or 5-0. AD gets a bruise and instead of sitting one game like a normal player, sat for 2 weeks and then we were like 5-5.
Then the rest of the games he did play, he had some of the worst 4th quarters I’ve ever seen. AD was literally pissing away games left and right.
Then he demanded a trade.
Meanwhile, shitty arse, flawed Portland that we swept the previous year grinded all year and made the WCF.
frick AD. He’s not even in the same league as Giannis or Embiid as a player. Or even Dame for that matter.
Guy has zero leadership, zero pain tolerance and hasn’t been a plus jump shooter since his 3rd year in the league (other than the Mickey Mouse bubble).
Like what does AD even work on in the offseason? Guy’s offensive game has steadily gotten worse since his 3rd year in the league. And his athleticism isn’t what it used to be either.
Posted on 1/31/22 at 10:17 pm to 3PieceSpicy
The Lakers are now tied for the 10th worst record in the NBA.
This post was edited on 1/31/22 at 10:18 pm
Posted on 1/31/22 at 10:23 pm to shel311
11th
Posted on 2/1/22 at 8:08 am to Bronc
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Boogie era ended with Gentry running Boogie’s achilles to its literal breaking point with his stupid pace for pace’s sake bull shite.
no.
Posted on 2/1/22 at 8:33 am to CelticDog
You will never make a convincing case to me that Gentry's ridiculous pace and minutes load put on Cousins was not a contributing factor to what is very often a progressive fatigue injury.
Cousins leading up to the injury was averaging damn near 40mpg at league high pace, you are being delibrately obtuse or ignorant to not cite that as a contributing factor, sorry, you are wrong
Cousins leading up to the injury was averaging damn near 40mpg at league high pace, you are being delibrately obtuse or ignorant to not cite that as a contributing factor, sorry, you are wrong
This post was edited on 2/1/22 at 8:35 am
Posted on 2/1/22 at 9:32 am to Bronc
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You will never make a convincing case to me that Gentry's ridiculous pace and minutes load put on Cousins was not a contributing factor to what is very often a progressive fatigue injury.
Cousins leading up to the injury was averaging damn near 40mpg at league high pace, you are being delibrately obtuse or ignorant to not cite that as a contributing factor, sorry, you are wrong
What kind of argument is this?? The guy is a big man playing basketball.. that in itself is an argument for why his achilles tore. He made a diving play out of bounds to get a rebound and it tore. It wasn't a normal play.
But sure... playing lots of minutes certainly contributed.
Posted on 2/1/22 at 10:09 am to SouthMSReb
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What kind of argument is this?? The guy is a big man playing basketball.. that in itself is an argument for why his achilles tore
Its like you almost got it, but then took a right turn to broken logic town.
Correct, a big man playing basketball raises the probability of achilles injury, and why might that be? Because a big man is putting increased stress and fatigue on the tendon and surrounding muscles in his kinetic chain that he otherwise wouldnt be.....but somehow the reasoning to you gets lost from there. If we agree that wear and tear of the game raises the probability of injury, then it's pretty obvious that when you push the human body even harder, even faster, even more chaotically that the probability of injury rises with it.
There is a reason a lot of times this injury occurs when players have been pushing their bodies to the limit, and occurs later in games and later in seasons.
And you don't have to take my word, here is a breakdown of prior achilles injuries in the NBA and the science and analysis of the relationship between achilles injuries and progressive fatigue:
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The marathon outing may have been particularly grueling because he had been pushing his body into uncharted territory. Heading into that game, Cousins had been averaging a whopping 39.8 minutes per game in his previous 10 contests. He played in four overtimes in a nine-day span.
In sum, January was Cousins’ most taxing month of his career (in months with at least five games played)—he registered a career-high 38.3 minutes per game. Friday’s game was Cousins’ fourth in seven days.
But yeah, I'm sure there was no relationship, none had anything to do with the other...Even though you have already acknowledged the premise of the relationship to be true
Posted on 2/1/22 at 10:16 am to 3PieceSpicy
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2018-2019 Season coming off a sweep of Portland and a competitive series against the Durant Warriors
AD was already plotting his exit in the summer.
Pels start the next year 4 or 5-0. AD gets a bruise and instead of sitting one game like a normal player, sat for 2 weeks and then we were like 5-5.
Then the rest of the games he did play, he had some of the worst 4th quarters I’ve ever seen. AD was literally pissing away games left and right.
Then he demanded a trade.
Meanwhile, shitty arse, flawed Portland that we swept the previous year grinded all year and made the WCF.
frick AD. He’s not even in the same league as Giannis or Embiid as a player. Or even Dame for that matter.
Guy has zero leadership, zero pain tolerance and hasn’t been a plus jump shooter since his 3rd year in the league (other than the Mickey Mouse bubble).
Like what does AD even work on in the offseason? Guy’s offensive game has steadily gotten worse since his 3rd year in the league. And his athleticism isn’t what it used to be either.
I dont disagree with any of those criticisms, it still doesn't exonerate the ill-fitting, oft-injured, shitty roster we placed around AD.
Both things can be true, and one being true doesnt need to be an assault on the other. The team around AD was largely built like shite and AD himself was not the alpha impact player he was hyped up to be.
Posted on 2/1/22 at 10:43 am to Bronc
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Shams Charania @ShamsCharania 26s
Lakers star LeBron James is expected to miss Wednesday’s game vs. Portland, and could be out a few more games due to irritation in left knee, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium. Sides want to be cautious and allow James to return once irritation subsides.
Posted on 2/1/22 at 11:55 am to TigerinATL
More and more the Lakers feel like the circa 2013 Nets.
Give up all your assets for a bunch of aging vets the league expected to dominate for a few years minimum, and it seemed like all at once father time caught up and the league passed them by.
Lakers at least got a chip, but it seems hard to imagine how they are more than a second round team at this point
Give up all your assets for a bunch of aging vets the league expected to dominate for a few years minimum, and it seemed like all at once father time caught up and the league passed them by.
Lakers at least got a chip, but it seems hard to imagine how they are more than a second round team at this point
Posted on 2/2/22 at 12:41 am to Bronc
I can agree with that to an extent. It just seemed like the narrative that last AD year that the media and AD tried to push was that he had no help.
Off the top of my head I remember having AD, Jrue, Mirotic, Julius Randle, and Etwann. Did we miss Rondo? Yes. We’re we missing a legitimate 3 man? Yes. But I think we had enough to fight and get to the playoffs if our star player didn’t quit on the season and the organization before the year even started. Also, that trade deadline would’ve looked a lot different. Instead of selling Mirotic, we likely would’ve been buyers and maybe been able to find another guard or wing to help us.
Point being, we honestly had a decent squad that year. He was just injured a decent amount and there were other games we lost where our role players did enough to win, but AD performed poorly in the 4th quarter and the reason why that is notable, is because it was literally the only year he was legitimately bad in clutch time. It seemed a bit intentional. And we found out later that he was plotting his exit basically a month after our very respectable playoff run.
Just makes me hate the guy.
Off the top of my head I remember having AD, Jrue, Mirotic, Julius Randle, and Etwann. Did we miss Rondo? Yes. We’re we missing a legitimate 3 man? Yes. But I think we had enough to fight and get to the playoffs if our star player didn’t quit on the season and the organization before the year even started. Also, that trade deadline would’ve looked a lot different. Instead of selling Mirotic, we likely would’ve been buyers and maybe been able to find another guard or wing to help us.
Point being, we honestly had a decent squad that year. He was just injured a decent amount and there were other games we lost where our role players did enough to win, but AD performed poorly in the 4th quarter and the reason why that is notable, is because it was literally the only year he was legitimately bad in clutch time. It seemed a bit intentional. And we found out later that he was plotting his exit basically a month after our very respectable playoff run.
Just makes me hate the guy.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 6:54 am to 3PieceSpicy
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AD performed poorly in the 4th quarter and the reason why that is notable, is because it was literally the only year he was legitimately bad in clutch time. It seemed a bit intentional.
playing deep into playoffs is so valued by players fans and media that no one but you suspects davis lost intentionally.
This post was edited on 2/4/22 at 6:56 am
Posted on 2/4/22 at 7:28 am to CelticDog
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playing deep into playoffs is so valued by players fans and media that no one but you suspects davis lost intentionally. This
He bought a house in LA and hired Klutch after those playoffs. The writing was on the wall, most chose to ignore it. Lot easier to leave a team losing than one that is winning.
Not to mention the Lakers were the worse team in the NBA over the 5 prior years….
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