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re: 6/15 official leak thread
Posted on 6/15/19 at 2:55 pm to brmark70816
Posted on 6/15/19 at 2:55 pm to brmark70816
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I never thought the 2000s would be too long ago to refernce. So how about Rondo? He seemed to be pretty effective and can't shoot that well.
Who were the SG and SF that played with Rondo? That will help solve the Rondo argument.
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Posted on 6/15/19 at 2:57 pm to Colonel Flagg
A non-shooting PG can be successful but you need a bunch of shooters around him, even the big men.
And it’s certainly not an ideal situation.
How about a Pg that can do both?
And it’s certainly not an ideal situation.
How about a Pg that can do both?
Posted on 6/15/19 at 2:59 pm to Fun Bunch
Back to the purpose of this thread:
Steve Kyler
Steve Kyler
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Ehhh... calm before the storm. I have always thought this gets resolves Tuesday or Wednesday, not any reason to do it earlier.
Posted on 6/15/19 at 3:01 pm to Fun Bunch
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The Nets teams of the early 2000s that went to back to back Finals, if they played exactly the same without adaptation would get murdered.
That is BS. They were super athletic, long and have tremendous skill players. Richard Jefferson was their 2nd best player and was a starter on a team that won a ring not even 4 years ago. He was like 35 and still was a major contributor.
I don't know what you envision as a great PG. But Kidd was super skilled and a tremendous athlete. He is Patrick Beverly, plus 4 inches and with a sick set of handles. Rondo is great everywhere he goes. He was a star after the big 3 left. Basketball has changed a bit, but it is still the same. Great players would still be great now, just like players today would be good then..
Posted on 6/15/19 at 3:02 pm to Fun Bunch
Lonzo is also historically awful from the FT line so in addition to not being an outside shooter his usefulness driving to the basket is also diminished.
Posted on 6/15/19 at 3:03 pm to brmark70816
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I never thought the 2000s would be too long ago to refernce. So how about Rondo? He seemed to be pretty effective and can't shoot that well.
My main point is PGs aren't shooters. They run the show and are distributors
Too long to reference, no. Presume you can freely apply what worked in 2000 with what will work today? No.
And given your last line I think you need to bring your understanding of the game into this part of the decade.
Teams can get by with one or two non-shooters in a lineup, but not 3 and 4 if they have ambitions in the playoffs. Point guards more than ever need to have the ability to stretch the floor. There is almost no greater talent to have in today’s game than hitting an off dribble three with good efficiency and on high volume.
Point guards that can’t shoot can still be used, but you need to have the difference made up elsewhere. Like the Pels did with Rondo and Boogie. Jrue and Rondo weren’t great shooters, but AD, Boogie, and Moore/Miller could. You also typically want point guards that don’t need the ball in their hands at all times, especially when we start talking about someone like Zion who projects to at least be a part time facilitator, if not eventually the primary one. Under that scenario non-shooting point guards begin to become problematic to make that work.
Posted on 6/15/19 at 3:03 pm to Fun Bunch
I'd be much more comfortable with Ball if Jrue went back to his 37%+ 3pt shooting days. He did that 4 of his first 6 seasons (though only on ~2.6 attempts), and he was at 36.5% and 36.8% on those other two seasons. No clue what happened there, but my only guess is tired legs from his cumslinging on the defensive end to go along with playing crazy minutes since healthy. Not saying that I'd be a huge fan of Ball, but he would help with both of those problems.
Posted on 6/15/19 at 3:04 pm to brmark70816
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That is BS
K.
Posted on 6/15/19 at 3:09 pm to brmark70816
The 2000 Nets that went to the Finals averaged 14 3PA per game.
Do you want to take a guess at what the lowest average 3PA for any team was this season?
Do you want to take a guess at what the lowest average 3PA for any team was this season?
Posted on 6/15/19 at 3:14 pm to THRILLHO
Jrue also has a bit of a shooting form issue.
He shoots with his elbow out too much imo, which creates instability in your form, and I would bet that contributes to some of his inconsistencies.
He shoots with his elbow out too much imo, which creates instability in your form, and I would bet that contributes to some of his inconsistencies.
Posted on 6/15/19 at 3:16 pm to THRILLHO
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I'd be much more comfortable with Ball if Jrue went back to his 37%+ 3pt shooting days. He did that 4 of his first 6 seasons (though only on ~2.6 attempts), and he was at 36.5% and 36.8% on those other two seasons
With a lot of guards and even some wings and bigs, when guys see a spike in 3PA and reduced 3P%, there’s typically a correlation with taking more less-than-ideal shot attempts with the higher volume.
In year with lower volume, shot selection is usually better. At least that’s my observation.
It’s not a huge difference, but IMO that usually explains those discrepancies.
Posted on 6/15/19 at 3:18 pm to Bronc
The Nets didn't go to the Finals in 2000, but I get your point. I looked them up. Style has changed, but so has defense. That changed with the rules. They would have adapted, like every team has. %'s are still in line with back then..
Posted on 6/15/19 at 3:20 pm to brmark70816
My qualification was without adaptation.
Posted on 6/15/19 at 3:22 pm to Philippines4LSU
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With a lot of guards and even some wings and bigs, when guys see a spike in 3PA and reduced 3P%, there’s typically a correlation with taking more less-than-ideal shot attempts with the higher volume.
Absolutely, but my eyes tell me that that isn't the case here. Jrue took more 3pt shots as his career went on, but he's not taking a bunch of pull ups or well defended threes. I don't know how to find the stats on quantity or shooting % of "wide open" or nearly wide open 3s, but he just got worse at it. The increase in quantity, I think, is just a result of the changes in the league's playing style, not on decision making. I'd argue that he looked more hesitant this season than he did in his first season with us.
This post was edited on 6/15/19 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 6/15/19 at 3:25 pm to Fun Bunch
Kyler answering more questions from thirsty Lakers fans demanding AD be traded to them.
First on if he would be shocked if he’s not traded to the Lakers:
On if the Lakers will have him by Thursday:
Lakers fans did NOT like that answer.
First on if he would be shocked if he’s not traded to the Lakers:
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Not shocked... If he ends up in say Sacramento, I'd be surprised...
On if the Lakers will have him by Thursday:
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I have no insight on who wins out... I have held the belief the Lakers need to make this deal a lot more than anyone else.
Lakers fans did NOT like that answer.
Posted on 6/15/19 at 3:31 pm to brmark70816
You’re right, it was the 2001 team, but the point still stands.
You can’t build a team modeled after teams built for another era, it makes no sense. You can’t use what worked in another era to presume it should work today.
Those Kidd teams would struggle in today’s NBA because they are constructed to fight in another era.
You can’t build a team modeled after teams built for another era, it makes no sense. You can’t use what worked in another era to presume it should work today.
Those Kidd teams would struggle in today’s NBA because they are constructed to fight in another era.
This post was edited on 6/15/19 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 6/15/19 at 3:34 pm to Fun Bunch
Well tough shot to Laker fans. We don’t HAVE to trade him, even if he wants to go.
Posted on 6/15/19 at 3:35 pm to teke184
You don’t understand. We do. Because that’s what he wants.
Otherwise we are a “trash organization”.
Otherwise we are a “trash organization”.
Posted on 6/15/19 at 3:37 pm to Fun Bunch
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Not shocked... If he ends up in say Sacramento, I'd be surprised...
Interesting.
Any chance Buddy is a part of that deal?
It would seem he’s just the kind of player we need here (high volume, high % 3P shooter).
I could live with Buddy, Ingram and 1 or 2 future firsts.
Posted on 6/15/19 at 3:38 pm to Fun Bunch
The people saying that shite apparently have no idea how a contract works.
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