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re: Bill Simmons on Lillard vs Rivers
Posted on 6/27/12 at 2:18 pm to dj30
Posted on 6/27/12 at 2:18 pm to dj30
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90% of the people who post on this board dont know shite about basketball. Thats why the stick to posting gifs and things of the sort.
I honestly feel that both will be major contributors to whichever team they end up with in a few years. We can all post links that have various scouts saying Lillard is better than Rivers and vice versa. My personal preference is Rivers. I think that working with a shooting coach will greatly improve is game and make his stroke more consistent, as the guy from grantland pointed out yesterday.
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Posted on 6/27/12 at 2:37 pm to GynoSandberg
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the 24/7 guys are acting like Rivers is a done deal
McNanamara has a Rivers hard on. The other day VOR was guaranteeing that, barring a trade, they will go big at 10. I trust VOR more than McNamara
Regardless, I don't think Rivers will be there at 10. Lillard at 6, Waiters at 7, Rivers at 8. If Toronto doesn't trade back to a team wanting Drummond, he will be gone.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 2:58 pm to TigerinATL
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We already have Henry who can blow by defenders, get to the line and hit FTs at a less than good rate.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 3:09 pm to corndeaux
Posted on 6/27/12 at 3:11 pm to Rev1897
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Not only does he not fit a need (unless they aren't going to re-sign Eric Gordon)
The Hornets shouldnt draft for need. That isn't how you build a team.
Besides that, I think Rivers and Gordon can play on the court at the same time. And given Gordon's injury history, i would be nice insurance should he go down again. Worst case scenario is Rivers would be a legit scoring threat off the bench.
No Chad Ford, guys like Jason Terry, James Harden, Manu aren't valuable.
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blackhole guard who averages more turnovers than assists
Such a stupid statement, considering you are talking about taking a 19 year old Freshman
Steve Nash had more turnovers than assists too as a college freshman.
Bradley Beal nearly did this year too 83:79
Jeremy Lamb did have more TO than assists.
This post was edited on 6/27/12 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 6/27/12 at 3:16 pm to Lester Earl
He didn't say he wouldn't be valuable.
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You may be right that Rivers would've put up better numbers as a freshman. However, here's my knock on Rivers. He thinks he's Kobe. He's not. He doesn't have the length, the height, nor the athletic ability. Take those things away from Kobe, and he's Ricky Davis — an irritating ball hog no one wants to play with and who isn't good enough to warrant the diva act.
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I just don't see Rivers ever being anywhere near as unselfish or efficient. I think Rivers will be shocked at the athleticism and length at his position. He'll try to do the same things at which he excelled in high school, spend a lot of time on the bench, get into it with his coach and teammates, get traded in a year or two to a desperate team, put up huge numbers for a cellar-dweller for a year or two, make some money, and eventually, teams will realize he can't be the alpha dog on a winning team.
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I honestly think Rivers is the one guy I wouldn't touch in the lottery. Too toxic for team chemistry, doesn't have the same physical tools to make it worth it.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 3:21 pm to Lester Earl
Mock ESPN Insider.
Treat Chad Ford articles as gospel.
Profit?
Treat Chad Ford articles as gospel.
Profit?
Posted on 6/27/12 at 3:24 pm to saintsfan22
who wrote this again? Chad Ford?
pretty unprofessional. Seems like something personal here.
ricky davis? Come on.
The NBA can be humbling. A lot could change as a young man enters the league. Especially with his father in his ear. I just can't see him being a problem.
pretty unprofessional. Seems like something personal here.
ricky davis? Come on.
The NBA can be humbling. A lot could change as a young man enters the league. Especially with his father in his ear. I just can't see him being a problem.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 3:27 pm to Lester Earl
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pretty unprofessional. Seems like something personal here.
What's unprofessional? Saying he's a selfish diva?
Posted on 6/27/12 at 3:27 pm to OBUDan
Thanks for the link.
I read his post a few weeks back on Rivers and tend to agree. I am not against Rivers at, but I haven't seen much to convince me he NEEDS to be the pick at 10, let alone he will be better than Lillard.
I read his post a few weeks back on Rivers and tend to agree. I am not against Rivers at, but I haven't seen much to convince me he NEEDS to be the pick at 10, let alone he will be better than Lillard.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 3:27 pm to Lester Earl
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who wrote this again? Chad Ford?
pretty unprofessional. Seems like something personal here.
The stuff he does with Simmons can get kind of informal. It might be more oneupsmanship on Simmons than personal against Rivers.
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The NBA can be humbling. A lot could change as a young man enters the league.
He also predicted getting into with his coach, but Monty not only is known for being able to get through to players, but he's a long time family friend so I doubt Rivers would get into a pissing contest with Monty. If anything I'd worry Monty wouldn't be hard enough of Rivers because of their history.
I still think there's a better chance that Rivers fails as a Hornet simply because unless he can switch to point he'll be behind Gordon and possibly Willie Green.
This post was edited on 6/27/12 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 6/27/12 at 3:29 pm to Lester Earl
Davis comparison is a bit harsh, but the SI "Finch" post echoed the selfish comments in a much nicer way. Not saying its legit, but it ain't just Ford putting that knock out there.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 3:29 pm to Lester Earl
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pretty unprofessional. Seems like something personal here.
Or maybe he just think he's arrogant, selfish, and has a shitty attitude.
There was a lot of rumors during the season that tons of people at Duke did not like him. I even remember hearing something about how K "regretted" recruiting him, which was quickly denied.
Maybe he's just got a burning desire to win and that rubs people the wrong way. Or maybe he's an entitled punk. I don't know him.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 3:31 pm to Fleur de Diable
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I think that working with a shooting coach will greatly improve is game and make his stroke more consistent, as the guy from grantland pointed out yesterday.
His father is considered a great NBA coach. Do you really think nobody has helped work on his shooting? He has had tons of coaching advantages (Doc Rivers, Coach K) over Lillard.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 3:32 pm to Lester Earl
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The NBA can be humbling. A lot could change as a young man enters the league.
I agree with this, but can't you say it about everyone?
I mean, any player could change. Drummond could become not lazy, Barnes aggressive, etc. etc.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 3:34 pm to TigerinATL
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and possibly Willie Green
You're riding that wave todayPosted on 6/27/12 at 3:37 pm to Lester Earl
Lester, how you would feel if we got Dion Waiters? I like him, he's explosive and make good plays.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 3:43 pm to Jester
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You're riding that wave today
I am enjoying people's reaction to the mere thought of it, but I do think it's likely to happen.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 3:44 pm to saintsfan22
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What's unprofessional? Saying he's a selfish diva?
The undertone of the whole article is just way too negative. A lot of it solely based on his own opinions.
Predicting he'll get into fights with his coach, get traded, be out of the league in 2 years. Calling him an irritating ball hog. Saying he would be toxic for team chemistry.
It's way harsh, and for the most part, unfounded.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 3:46 pm to Jester
Bleacher Report (I Know) from May
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Some common knocks on Austin Rivers are his poor shot selection and bad attitude.
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