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re: Charlotte would prefer BI
Posted on 6/17/23 at 11:38 pm to Redzone762
Posted on 6/17/23 at 11:38 pm to Redzone762
quote:his numbers throughout his career and BI’s numbers say otherwise. I swear y’all don’t watch any other basketball but Pels games. KD is arguably a top 25 player of all time. BI will be a forgotten player 50 years from now.
KD even said it himself.
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Posted on 6/17/23 at 11:39 pm to Macintosh
But they like BI because he has cool tats and Braids and he has potential!
Like man I like BI as well as a player but it's time to move on man.
BI is not KD and will never be KD and that's ok. Can we please just stop having to rely on two of our best players who can't stay reliable?
Like man I like BI as well as a player but it's time to move on man.
BI is not KD and will never be KD and that's ok. Can we please just stop having to rely on two of our best players who can't stay reliable?
This post was edited on 6/17/23 at 11:40 pm
Posted on 6/17/23 at 11:51 pm to Honest Man
quote:sadly I think fans are gonna learn the hard way but hopefully I’m wrong
BI is not KD and will never be KD and that's ok. Can we please just stop having to rely on two of our best players who can't stay reliable?
Posted on 6/18/23 at 12:54 am to Macintosh
Hopefully Zion and Scoot are Pelicans Friday and we will have a ton of cap space and direction in the franchise moving forward.
Worst case scenario Zion get injured Scoot can hold us down as the face the organization. Best cast scenario titles or a valuable asset for Zion.
Worst case scenario Zion get injured Scoot can hold us down as the face the organization. Best cast scenario titles or a valuable asset for Zion.
This post was edited on 6/18/23 at 12:54 am
Posted on 6/18/23 at 3:39 am to BradleyBadd
Only 1/3 of the games? Season too condensed. Less games more spread out.
Ashamed that players actually getting on the court to earn their paychecks is a discussion.
Ashamed that players actually getting on the court to earn their paychecks is a discussion.
This post was edited on 6/18/23 at 8:31 am
Posted on 6/18/23 at 7:17 am to Honest Man
Oof
This post was edited on 6/18/23 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 6/18/23 at 7:19 am to Honest Man
quote:
Worst case scenario Zion get injured Scoot can hold us down as the face the organization.
You sure are putting a lot of faith in a guard who can't shoot.
Posted on 6/18/23 at 7:23 am to Honest Man
Oof
This post was edited on 6/18/23 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 6/18/23 at 7:58 am to VA LSU fan
quote:
I don't think people realize how the new CBA is going to cost the Pelicans Trey and Herb.
Do you want BI or Herb, Trey, Scoot and probably another 1st.
This doesn't make sense b/c it ignores we'll have to pay Scoot during Trey/Herb's deals you're referencing.
If anything, the new CBA is going to punish guys like Herb b/c teams won't be able to justify a big salary on such a flawed player. Stars and elite talent will remain underpaid (due to max salaries) and rookie contracts for good players will be very EV+, but the middle ground is going to be a disaster for the players.
Posted on 6/18/23 at 8:00 am to BradleyBadd
quote:
If Zion gets right this season and pels take off …Im sure gayle will go into luxury tax to keep it goin because the whole world is waiting on Zion and it would be a huge
Money grab for her
The tax and the second apron are 2 very different things, also with CJs contract we can be a tax team for a year here or there without the real punitive status of a repeat tax team. Still an entirely different universe than the second apron in the new CBA.
If we have a money crunch one year where we go slightly into the tax, I doubt Gayle would blow everything up (especially since we'd likely be making more revenue to offset the tax payments).
Posted on 6/18/23 at 8:03 am to Overbrook
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If the Pels believe that Henderson is a generational guard, they should absolutely trade BI for him.
Call me a cynic but adding Scoot sets us up for 2 more franchise resets when we deal Zion and make Scoot the face, then deal Scoot (assuming Scoot lives up to his potential). And adding to Zion really magnifies our shooting issues and makes Herb's value close to 0, which negates the whole "we have to trade BI to afford Herb" argument.
Posted on 6/18/23 at 8:05 am to Honest Man
quote:
He has one year left going into this season and is 26 and doesn't want to be here.
Wait what?
Posted on 6/18/23 at 8:06 am to Honest Man
quote:
Zion and Scoot are Pelicans Friday and we will have a ton of cap space
What? We won't have cap space regardless, and cap space is worthless to us.
Posted on 6/18/23 at 8:27 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
What? We won't have cap space regardless, and cap space is worthless to us
If a trade is done right we could get a huge trade exception though.
Posted on 6/18/23 at 8:34 am to Soggymoss
quote:
If a trade is done right we could get a huge trade exception though.
But using that would eliminate most of the "new CBA tax restrictions" arguments.
All of the "we can't afford BI + x" argument would be the same, but we'd also have Scoot and his salary (which is higher than people realize).
Posted on 6/18/23 at 8:47 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
But using that would eliminate most of the "new CBA tax restrictions" arguments.
Depends on who you would use it on. You could use 20-25 million of the TPE and stay comfortably below the tax now and into the future.
For instance looking at tax teams Atlanta stands out. We could take Bogi and his 18 million a year team friendly deal combined with Scoot and still be less than BI’s salary, plus now we have salary that’s easy to move if needed.
This post was edited on 6/18/23 at 8:55 am
Posted on 6/18/23 at 9:10 am to Macintosh
quote:
Why? crazy how a guy who isn’t a #1, who gets hurt often,a player we’ve accomplished nothing with, and is up for another big contract on a team with cap issues is considered untouchable
You’re not wrong. I’d be perfectly fine with trading BI for the 2 pick. It’s still not going to happen
Posted on 6/18/23 at 9:30 am to bonethug0180
quote:16-17 with BI and no Zion last season. 36-46 the full season before.
Zion is clearly our best player, but that doesn't mean BI can't lead us to wins and the playoffs without him
We truthfully have not seen BI lead us to wins without Zion.
Posted on 6/18/23 at 9:35 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:I've already laid out with numbers and no one saying we can't afford to keep Zion and BI can explain why with numbers.
This doesn't make sense
Zion $38m/BI $47m/Trey $25m/Herb $17m. Last 3 are obviously estimates
That would represent roughly 66% of the projected luxury tax line per Spotrac. This coming season, our top 4 players are 72%. Further, league median is 64% and playoff team median is over 70%. So why can't we keep that core 4 if we wanted and still round out a solid roster?
This post was edited on 6/18/23 at 9:36 am
Posted on 6/18/23 at 9:38 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:But part of the issue is the money you don't receive from being a non luxury team. Meaning, if you go $2mil into the tax, you don't just lose $2mil or whatever they penalty is. You lose the payout of money distributed to all the non tax teams, which I think is around $17mil or so recently.
The tax and the second apron are 2 very different things, also with CJs contract we can be a tax team for a year here or there without the real punitive status of a repeat tax team
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