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re: Griffin
Posted on 11/29/24 at 8:02 pm to ned nederlander
Posted on 11/29/24 at 8:02 pm to ned nederlander
My biggest issue with griffin is acknowledging the holes, but waiting for a bargain to pursue it.
Early on he swung for the fences (naw, Graham, Kira, and Hayes) for example, but when those mistakes were huge he didn't take risks that could have paid off in season.
Early on he swung for the fences (naw, Graham, Kira, and Hayes) for example, but when those mistakes were huge he didn't take risks that could have paid off in season.
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Posted on 11/29/24 at 8:05 pm to htran90
quote:how is naw and Hayes swinging for the fences? He traded down. That feels cheaper than drafting the fourth overall player. Graham was a desperate trade after losing Lonzo for pennies that made us lose a 1st round pick.
Early on he swung for the fences (naw, Graham, Kira, and Hayes) for example, but when those mistakes were huge he didn't take risks that could have paid off in season.
This post was edited on 11/29/24 at 8:08 pm
Posted on 11/29/24 at 8:07 pm to Macintosh
High risk, high reward type of moves.
Posted on 11/29/24 at 8:10 pm to Ijuschill1
quote:Im not really sure what Willie does at this point. Tell guys to hustle and do press conferences is about what I see as his role.
It's Willie.... He has maxed out his potential with this team and I would say the same if they were healthy. It's time for him to go. Tired of seeing an offense with no identity, scheme nor any play calls that you can definitively identify as such.
Posted on 11/30/24 at 12:16 am to Soggymoss
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Nope, just smart enough to know y’all are blaming the wrong guy for the failures.
David Griffin is the 2nd highest paid GM/Basketball Operations guy behind the Spurs GM. Do you think Griffin has earned that money?
Posted on 11/30/24 at 6:06 am to Pels_Yaz
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David Griffin is the 2nd highest paid GM/Basketball Operations guy behind the Spurs GM.
He oversees the entire team. He came in and got a notoriously cheap organization into the modern era. Is he overpaid? I don’t know because we don’t know the salaries of all NBA POBO guys. Y’all keep referring to Griff as the GM, but he’s not, he’s the POBO.
Posted on 11/30/24 at 8:23 pm to Soggymoss
You keep saying this line …got them into the modern era …
Exactly what is different ? What has he done ?
Still no luxury tax , still not acting on analytics any more than previous regimes , still has medical staff problems , still disgruntled and/or underperforming star players , arena still sucks , no FA want to come here , and the list goes on.
If you want to say he has drafted well , I think that is fair. Or does he not get that credit bc he’s not the gm by your own words?
His tenure on the court has been a total failure.
If you were asked immediately post AD trade and Zion draft how many playoff games would the Pels win over the next 5 seasons , what would you have said?
If you were told at that time that the Pels would go through 3 coaches , win 2 play-off games in that span, and be in last place in the conference for the 24-25 season , you would still be supportive of the organizational direction ?
Exactly what is different ? What has he done ?
Still no luxury tax , still not acting on analytics any more than previous regimes , still has medical staff problems , still disgruntled and/or underperforming star players , arena still sucks , no FA want to come here , and the list goes on.
If you want to say he has drafted well , I think that is fair. Or does he not get that credit bc he’s not the gm by your own words?
His tenure on the court has been a total failure.
If you were asked immediately post AD trade and Zion draft how many playoff games would the Pels win over the next 5 seasons , what would you have said?
If you were told at that time that the Pels would go through 3 coaches , win 2 play-off games in that span, and be in last place in the conference for the 24-25 season , you would still be supportive of the organizational direction ?
This post was edited on 11/30/24 at 8:25 pm
Posted on 12/1/24 at 1:21 am to Soggymoss
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Is he overpaid? I don’t know because we don’t know the salaries of all NBA POBO guys. Y’all keep referring to Griff as the GM, but he’s not, he’s the POBO.
It is factually recorded hes the second highest paid head of basketball operations guy in the NBA. It doesn’t matter what his actual title is, POBO with Pels is basically the same thing as the Spurs GM who is also head of basketball operations. Its all semantics man.
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He came in and got a notoriously cheap organization into the modern era.
He got us a new training facility, a therapist and has recently drafted decent role players. On the court the team has 2 playoff appearances but no sustainable success from their main stars who now look like they may be gone. I can’t really say he had a successful tenure- in fact on the court you can say he was just as successful or less than Dell Demps was.
This post was edited on 12/1/24 at 1:26 am
Posted on 12/1/24 at 6:09 am to AboveTheRim
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Exactly what is different ? What has he done ?
Well for starters we actually have a scouting department and not a single guy in a rental car driving around the country staying at Motel 6’s.
Then add in the new facilities, actually having a full training staff with nutritionist, a G-League team, pretty much everything a NBA franchise is supposed to have that we didn’t.
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Still no luxury tax
We don’t have a team worthy of paying the luxury tax. Y’all spout this bullshite like paying a couple million in tax will just bring a championship.
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still has medical staff problems
It has been revamped twice, and if you haven’t noticed across the league teams are having issues with star players staying healthy, not just us. It’s a CBA/training camp issue, there’s not enough time for guys to prepare for a season anymore like back when it was two a days for a month straignt.
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still disgruntled and/or underperforming star players, no FA want to come here
And this is Griffin’s fault how? He can’t control where the team is, blame the city for not being New York or Miami or Los Angeles.
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arena still sucks
Owned by the state, not the team. Also getting an update or new arena as soon as the Superdome stuff is completed. That has been in the works for a couple years, but apparently you haven’t paid attention.
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If you were asked immediately post AD trade and Zion draft how many playoff games would the Pels win over the next 5 seasons , what would you have said? If you were told at that time that the Pels would go through 3 coaches , win 2 play-off games in that span, and be in last place in the conference for the 24-25 season , you would still be supportive of the organizational direction ?
We haven’t won a championship so yes I’m disappointed. I’m also smart enough to know that the POBO/GM has done everything possible to make it a successful organization. You know you have something built when the President of the players union CHOOSES to be traded here, Murray was excited to be traded here. Our failures are squarely on Zion, Willie and BI in that order.
Griff has done everything possible to get through to Zion, from hiring a hard nosed coach that Zion loved but BI hated, to hiring training staff Zion likes to hiring coaches Zion likes. He’s tried taking a hard nosed approach with the contract. Hell he has even gone so far as to try to trade BI and presumably Zion. What more do y’all expect him to do?
This post was edited on 12/1/24 at 6:21 am
Posted on 12/1/24 at 7:52 am to Soggymoss
You wanted championship and we’ve gotten 2 playoff wins in his entire tenure and that isn’t concerning ? Trying hard doesn’t mean anything , that’s table stakes .
We have different definitions of “everything possible “. But assuming he has done everything possible it has failed to manifest to any level of “sustained success “ —griff’s stated goal .
I don’t have any inside knowledge of things you stated so I’ll take your word for it . However, There have been multiple posts stating his mistakes which have helped prevent success so I won’t re-hash that here .
Your sentiment that cj and Murray chose Nola is fallacy . They preferred Nola over the current situations which were actively trying to get rid of them . It wasn’t FA where they had lots of options and picked NOLA . Their teams wanted to trade them and Nola is where they wanted To send them, Cj and Murray both took the known and secure situation over the alternative of being perpetually shopped . I bet CJ wishes he made a different choice .
A president of basketball operations #1 job is to create a winning environment and culture . Griff has failed to do that with one of the biggest war chest in the history of the nba .
I don’t understand how you see that and still want to see him lead the organization moving forward with much less at his disposal .
Sure Zion , BI, abd Willie share blame . Those are guys that Griff hitched his wagon to , gave extensions to, and failed to move on from when it was obvious it needed to happen.
The culture sucks , the team is getting worse , there has been virtually no success in his tenure . Why continue ?
We have different definitions of “everything possible “. But assuming he has done everything possible it has failed to manifest to any level of “sustained success “ —griff’s stated goal .
I don’t have any inside knowledge of things you stated so I’ll take your word for it . However, There have been multiple posts stating his mistakes which have helped prevent success so I won’t re-hash that here .
Your sentiment that cj and Murray chose Nola is fallacy . They preferred Nola over the current situations which were actively trying to get rid of them . It wasn’t FA where they had lots of options and picked NOLA . Their teams wanted to trade them and Nola is where they wanted To send them, Cj and Murray both took the known and secure situation over the alternative of being perpetually shopped . I bet CJ wishes he made a different choice .
A president of basketball operations #1 job is to create a winning environment and culture . Griff has failed to do that with one of the biggest war chest in the history of the nba .
I don’t understand how you see that and still want to see him lead the organization moving forward with much less at his disposal .
Sure Zion , BI, abd Willie share blame . Those are guys that Griff hitched his wagon to , gave extensions to, and failed to move on from when it was obvious it needed to happen.
The culture sucks , the team is getting worse , there has been virtually no success in his tenure . Why continue ?
Posted on 12/1/24 at 10:52 am to Soggymoss
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Also getting an update or new arena as soon as the Superdome stuff is completed. That has been in the works for a couple years, but apparently you haven’t paid attention.
There has been no confirmation that an update or new arena is coming at all. There was only a report done stating issues with the arena. Unless I’m missing something I have not heard any news regarding planned updates to SKC or a new arena.
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