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re: How far can a Ingram led team take us?
Posted on 6/13/23 at 12:25 pm to Pels_Yaz
Posted on 6/13/23 at 12:25 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:If you're not trying to ultimately win a title with every move you make, then you should fold your franchise.
Again I get the whole title thing but this franchise hasn’t even made a conference finals. How about we try to build a team that can constantly get into playoffs at least before finding the next steph curry. I think Scoot can do that.
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Posted on 6/13/23 at 12:36 pm to shel311
Lol ok. I didn’t say they weren’t trying to build to a title. But there are steps to a title. It took years for steph to become the player he is. The first step is trying to make the playoffs consistently which they haven’t achieved. You act like unless you get a prime steph curry, trading Zion or BI is useless. Thats not normal thinking. You have to build a title and if you feel BI or Zion cant get you there, you find someone who eventually will. Pelicans might feel Scoot might eventually get them there.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 12:39 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:Or am I acting like exactly what I said, which is not that?
You act like unless you get a prime steph curry,
quote:So, back to my point, I'll just repeat it:
I didn’t say they weren’t trying to build to a title.
Steph Curry is the only player that size to be the best player on a title team in decades.
Anything could happen, but it's a very, very long shot/lottery ticket to get and build around that guy as your #1.
quote:Good thing I wasn't thinking it and rather you just made it up.
Thats not normal thinking.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 12:45 pm to Soggymoss
quote:
A BI led team has gotten us to: Missed playoffs 10th seed to play-in game win and out in 1st round Knocked out in play-in game
Missed the playoffs with Zion playing the most games he ever played here. By a lot.
In fact, Zion has not suited up in the postseason for the Pels. So what are you talking about?
Posted on 6/13/23 at 12:45 pm to shel311
So who would you build around? An overweight short PF who has constantly been unhealthy- has anyone won a championship with that type of guy???
I agree everything is a gamble and longshot. But literally just repeating no team has won a title with a player that size other than Steph curry- is not a logical argument. Its also incorrect- pistons isaiah thomas was 6’1 and pistons won titles with him.
I agree everything is a gamble and longshot. But literally just repeating no team has won a title with a player that size other than Steph curry- is not a logical argument. Its also incorrect- pistons isaiah thomas was 6’1 and pistons won titles with him.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 12:46 pm to shel311
quote:
Name all the guys who you think are true #1s who have 4 above average players on their teams and are 10 games under .500 over a representative sample size. 1. BI 2. ???
So…just a gaping whole at the 4 has more Impact on a players status as a “#1” than wins and losses in basketball. Okay, then.
What if that cast has an above average power forward like Gordon or Randle?
Luka finished below Ingrams team. Is he not a number #1?
Posted on 6/13/23 at 12:48 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:What I said was not incorrect, you just constantly misread what I keep saying.
But literally just repeating no team has won a title with a player that size other than Steph curry- is not a logical argument. Its also incorrect-
quote:Has anyone ever won a title with the type of player like Zion that is completely unique and we've never seen this type of player before, is that your question?
An overweight short PF who has constantly been unhealthy- has anyone won a championship with that type of guy???
Posted on 6/13/23 at 12:49 pm to shel311
Lol you erased what I said about Isaiah Thomas and the pistons. Interesting.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 12:50 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
quote:So to confirm you're conceding that BI needs at least 5 above average players on his team to maybe get to .500?
So…just a gaping whole at the 4 has more Impact on a players status as a “#1” than wins and losses in basketball. Okay, then.
quote:What else has Luka done over, as I've stated to you multiple times, a representative sample size? What's the answer? Is it more than BI, yes or no?
Luka finished below Ingrams team. Is he not a number #1?
Posted on 6/13/23 at 12:50 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:My statement was correct, IT included.
Lol you erased what I said about Isaiah Thomas and the pistons. Interesting.
Feel free to go back and read it, it was correct.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 12:53 pm to shel311
quote:
He's a #2, which is important, and can be that important #2 for us.
Agree 100%
Posted on 6/13/23 at 12:55 pm to shel311
Steph Curry is the only player that size to be the best player on a title team in decades. - that was what you said.
Ok fine. Ill give you pistons won with him in 89 and 90 and steph won recently. But not trading for a guy based off a historical stat like that. How is that reasonable thinking? So you would bypass a player because hes not ultimate specific height you want him at to win a championship. You factor height that much into the equation for a player that in all honesty woukd be number one if it wasnt for Wemby?
Ok fine. Ill give you pistons won with him in 89 and 90 and steph won recently. But not trading for a guy based off a historical stat like that. How is that reasonable thinking? So you would bypass a player because hes not ultimate specific height you want him at to win a championship. You factor height that much into the equation for a player that in all honesty woukd be number one if it wasnt for Wemby?
Posted on 6/13/23 at 12:58 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:Yep, like I said, a correct statement.
Steph Curry is the only player that size to be the best player on a title team in decades. - that was what you said.
quote:How is it reasonable to not want to trade your best player for a lottery ticket, is that's your question?
But not trading for a guy based off a historical stat like that. How is that reasonable thinking?
Posted on 6/13/23 at 1:07 pm to shel311
When your best player can’t play and is essentially a lottery ticket himself. Honestly you’re trading one lottery ticket for another. You tend to leave out the fact Zions health is a huge gamble in itself.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 1:19 pm to shel311
quote:
Steph Curry is the only player that size to be the best player on a title team in decades.
Tony Parker
Isiah Thomas
Chauncy Billups
Iverson made it to the Finals
It's a team sport. If you can have 2-3 guys that are capable of scoring on their own at a near elite level, you'll be alright.
Jason Terry was the main scoring guard for a title team.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 2:14 pm to Baron
quote:Stolen take, but...Let's look at the last 40+ years or so:
How far can a Ingram led team take us?
Jokic
Steph
Giannis
Kawhi
Lebron
Duncan
Dirk
Kobe
KG
DWade
Billups
Shaq
MJ
Hakeem
Isaiah
Magic
Larry
Moses
Kareem
All but one of those teams had, what, a top 25 ish player of the last 50 years, right? And the 1 team that didn't did have an all time level defense.
So for those who have posted that think BI can win a title, I'd ask why? Do you think he is a top 25 all timer? If not, why do you think he can be one of the very, very rare outliers?
The worst players to win a title as the best guy other than Billups are...Kawhi/Dirk/KG? Those are the worst, that is how good of a player you need to win a title historically speaking minus the 1 outlier.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 2:50 pm to shel311
quote:
Luka finished below Ingrams team. Is he not a number #1?
I’ve asked you this multiple times. Is Luka a #1 despite finishing lower than “Ingrams” Pels?
Posted on 6/13/23 at 2:53 pm to shel311
quote:
Stolen take, but...Let's look at the last 40+ years or so: Jokic Steph Giannis Kawhi Lebron Duncan Dirk Kobe KG DWade Billups Shaq MJ Hakeem Isaiah Magic Larry Moses Kareem
BI can definitely be as good as Paul Pierce. The #1 on a title team. And DWade the #1 on title team with a an all time #2.
Next question.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 2:55 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
quote:How many times did you want me to answer it?
I’ve asked you this multiple times.
You seem to have a knack for doing this thing where you ask a question, it gets answered, then you repeat that question 10 more times, it's a very bold strategy.
It would be better for the board if you stopped muddying up threads by doing that over and over and over.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 2:58 pm to shel311
quote:
t would be better for the board if you stopped muddying up threads by doing that over and over and over.
The irony is not lost to the rest of the board when you type this. You should take a break. A better strategy than continuing to muddying up the board.
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