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Posted on 4/27/23 at 10:56 am to
Posted by SCLSUMuddogs
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 4/27/23 at 10:56 am to
Ahh, the cap hold would probably fix the issue I was seeing. Could probably sign EJ and Karlo with the BAE too.

I'm not sure I like the roster construction, but I can see how all that would fit now
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
43362 posts
Posted on 4/27/23 at 10:56 am to
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So Wendell Carter is dumpster diving?


Wasnt even top 3 player on a bad team so yeah. (In my opinion of course)

You can still technically do the trade as his contract is 13 mil next season and keep Larry and maybe 14. Hes 24 and would line up with the team as far as age is concerned but he doesnt fit the veteran bullshite Griff likes and we dont need more young people imo.
Posted by SCLSUMuddogs
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2010
8359 posts
Posted on 4/27/23 at 10:57 am to
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I'd bet it won't be over the tax. With the new CBA they are adding $160 million in licensing merch revenue to BRI which should raise the cap by about $2.6 million. The past few years we've gotten about a $2 million bump from the projection based on the playoffs being competitive and having good ratings. Hopefully that happens again and you can add about $4-$5 to the cap which would push the tax line out about $5-$6 million.


Yeah, I mean it's still up in the air a bit. I was going off of an estimated figure of $162M for the tax line based on an athletic article from February
This post was edited on 4/27/23 at 10:58 am
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
43362 posts
Posted on 4/27/23 at 10:58 am to
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I'm not sure I like the roster construction, but I can see how all that would fit now


The main thought was Willie wants to RUN RUN RUN. And our front court are the biggest offenders of this in current year.
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
I'm your huckleberry
Member since Apr 2008
41419 posts
Posted on 4/27/23 at 11:02 am to
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Who is this mythical person you can get?


I don't know who the person is, I haven't given thought to it, but I know the one you came up with is an overpay. I'm also not obsessed with Myles Turner like so many are. The GM seems to feel the same way because we've never went after him.
Posted by SCLSUMuddogs
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2010
8359 posts
Posted on 4/27/23 at 11:02 am to
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The main thought was Willie wants to RUN RUN RUN. And our front court are the biggest offenders of this in current year.


For sure, I just don't want to cut off our nose to save our face. Rim Protection is one of our biggest problems too, and replacing Jonas/Larry with Turner/Reid seems like it won't move the needle in a positive direction there.

Aside from that I don't dislike the roster, but the rotations I have a couple of issues with. Why would you want herb to be the primary ball handler and CJ come off the bench at the 2? CJ has proven he can be more of a true point guard that was expected and Herb is one of the worst facilitators we start, imo
This post was edited on 4/27/23 at 11:03 am
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
43362 posts
Posted on 4/27/23 at 11:04 am to
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Aside from that I don't dislike the roster, but the rotations I have a couple of issues with. Why would you want herb to be the primary ball handler and CJ come off the bench at the 2? CJ has proven he can be more of a true point guard that was expected and Herb is one of the worst facilitators we start, imo


Im not hard set on either and both have their + and -'s

The bigger problem is getting Trey on the court because I truly believe he is going to be a MAX player at some point.
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
43362 posts
Posted on 4/27/23 at 11:05 am to
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The GM seems to feel the same way because we've never went after him.


But we did? I thought this was common knowledge. IND at the time wanted too much for him.
Posted by SCLSUMuddogs
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2010
8359 posts
Posted on 4/27/23 at 11:07 am to
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The bigger problem is getting Trey on the court because I truly believe he is going to be a MAX player at some point.


I am of the opinion that Herb Jones and Trey Murphy should switch roles. Make herb the defensive stopper on the bench, start Trey. Imo, Trey is a significantly better offensive threat and is just slightly less skilled defensively. I think Trey's offensive capabilities outweigh any perceived defensive deficiencies
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
43362 posts
Posted on 4/27/23 at 11:09 am to
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I am of the opinion that Herb Jones and Trey Murphy should switch roles. Make herb the defensive stopper on the bench, start Trey. Imo, Trey is a significantly better offensive threat and is just slightly less skilled defensively. I think Trey's offensive capabilities outweigh any perceived defensive deficiencies


I agree with pretty much everything.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112692 posts
Posted on 4/27/23 at 11:18 am to
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Wasnt even top 3 player on a bad team so yeah. (In my opinion of course)

You can still technically do the trade as his contract is 13 mil next season and keep Larry and maybe 14. Hes 24 and would line up with the team as far as age is concerned but he doesnt fit the veteran bullshite Griff likes and we dont need more young people imo.
My issue with WCJ is because of his age we likely have to add assets to a JV deal, and JV is better than WCJ imo. I don't like adding assets to make us worse in the short term. It also calls into question whether we can afford to extend Herb Jones and stay under the tax.


And then the bigger issue...Orlando likely doesn't want JVal.

If Orlando wins the lottery, I could then see WCJ becoming available, but we would need 2 trades or a 3 teamer, 1 where we're getting WCJ and another where JVal is going elsewhere.

But just the main point, with Herb and we gotta start saving up for a Trey extension, WCJ would only be a short term piece I'd assume. So if he's a short term piece, back to my main point, why add assets to get worse in the short term at center?
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
43362 posts
Posted on 4/27/23 at 11:20 am to
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My issue with WCJ is because of his age we likely have to add assets to a JV deal, and JV is better than WCJ imo. I don't like adding assets to make us worse in the short term. It also calls into question whether we can afford to extend Herb Jones and stay under the tax.


And then the bigger issue...Orlando likely doesn't want JVal.

If Orlando wins the lottery, I could then see WCJ becoming available, but we would need 2 trades or a 3 teamer, 1 where we're getting WCJ and another where JVal is going elsewhere.

But just the main point, with Herb and we gotta start saving up for a Trey extension, WCJ would only be a short term piece I'd assume. So if he's a short term piece, back to my main point, why add assets to get worse in the short term at center?



Holy shite I agree with Shel.

The other bonus of the Buddy expiring is that its cap room for Herb/Trey.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112692 posts
Posted on 4/27/23 at 11:21 am to
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Holy shite I agree with Shel.
Feels good to be on the right side, doesn't it?



This post was edited on 4/27/23 at 11:22 am
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 4/27/23 at 11:26 am to
We're going to have to pay somebody to play center and WCJ is cheaper than JV and on a declining contract.

And don't take this as me being pro WCJ, his games played is a big concern, but if the goal is to add a center that isn't JV and a shooter that Willie would play that also wouldn't cost as much as a Turner or Claxton package, WCJ and Harris fit the bill if available.
Posted by saintslsupels
Member since Jul 2014
2492 posts
Posted on 4/27/23 at 11:37 am to
quote:

Use portion of MLE to sign Naz Reid

Oh my sweet summer child…..
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 4/27/23 at 12:07 pm to
gosh.

1. a lot of work.
appreciate the effort.

2. paying too much.
I think you like buddy more than he's worth.
he never got better in Sacramento.
is buddy better than kennard? Memphis got Kennard for a maybe washed Green and 3 2nds.

Posted by ThanosIsADemocrat
The Garden
Member since May 2018
9395 posts
Posted on 4/27/23 at 12:31 pm to
quote:

IN: Myles Turner, Buddy Heild


Buddy Hield isn’t good at basketball.
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
43362 posts
Posted on 4/27/23 at 12:39 pm to
quote:

Buddy Hield isn’t good at basketball.


Disagree but his secondary value is the expiring salary we will absolutely need.
Posted by 3PieceSpicy
Metairie
Member since Jan 2021
7913 posts
Posted on 4/27/23 at 1:14 pm to
Kira, pick 14 in an extremely weak draft, Dyson, and 2 picks from contenders isn’t going to get you Fox

Growing tired of the blatant homerism on this board (overvaluing our assets and undervaluing others)
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 4/27/23 at 2:59 pm to
Myles Turner is NOT A CHAMPIONSHIP player


That trade is horrendous as a result.
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