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re: Pels vs Utah
Posted on 11/27/23 at 11:26 pm to medtiger
Posted on 11/27/23 at 11:26 pm to medtiger
quote:
You don't know that. The whole game changes at that point
So no game that’s ever been lost at the FT line has ever been lost the FT line because of alternate universes? That’s your argument? We went 17-25, they went 23-28. That’s the difference in winning and losing a 2 point game.
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Posted on 11/27/23 at 11:27 pm to Pels_Yaz
I agree but he’s way off on his shot and they can’t just do what the Jazz want them to do.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 11:28 pm to Fenwick86
I’m pretty sure you could say that for almost all of the close games we lost this year. I do think it’ll improve with CJ and Trey coming back though.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 11:29 pm to bengalmd
Yeah Dysin had major issues offensively today. I feel like the misses and his George just dunking on his head messed with his offense aggression. He just didn’t look the same in regards to attacking the basket today as in past games.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 11:35 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:
I’m pretty sure you could say that for almost all of the close games we lost this year.
This is definitely not the first game we’ve lost at the stripe. I’m not far away from your Willie takes but professional players need to recognize when they need to practice/do better at the line.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 11:36 pm to BigPerm30
This team isn't any different than the Saints. .500 team at absolute best. I'm over it.
76ers will beat us by 35 on Wednesday night. This team can get fricked.
76ers will beat us by 35 on Wednesday night. This team can get fricked.
This post was edited on 11/27/23 at 11:40 pm
Posted on 11/27/23 at 11:37 pm to Terrific Tales
quote:
I’m just saying I think we absolutely would have with our full complement of personnel
well tbh i'd be kinda shocked if we ever see our team with our full complement of personnel. it'll be a miracle if both zion and ingram are still healthy once both cj and trey are back. but i just think a game like tonight in a sense points to a larger overall team philosophy problem with the lack of 3 pt attempts regardless of personnel
i totally understand we have guys on the way back which will raise the 3pt attempts, but it's just difficult to win the math game when one team is taking 48 3s and one team is taking 22 3s. i'd be curious to know league-wide the record of teams who attempted 26+ less 3s than their opponent in a game. it can't be a great win %. willie has brought it up a number of times how we need to take more 3s as a team and i thought bringing in borrego would help in that regard, but it doesn't seem to be the case thus far. and again ofc getting cj and trey back (and even ryan) will hopefully really raise our attempts, but i was just saying in particular tonight we should have taken more 3s
Posted on 11/28/23 at 3:31 am to jprdbulldog20
Will this team ever learn that 3 > 2.
Posted on 11/28/23 at 8:28 am to Balsamic_duck
Zion's final shot attempt was at the 6:26 mark of the 4th quarter.
I'll keep repeating it over and over... This doesn't happen with other team's star players because they will have the ball in their hands dictating every single offensive possession the final few minutes of a game.
We do not scheme to do this with Zion, why?
You think you'll ever see dudes like Luka, SGA, Trae, Jokic not touch the ball and dictate darn near every possession the final 3-4 minutes of a close game? Nope. But Zion and our scheme, it consistently happens. Again, why?
I'll keep repeating it over and over... This doesn't happen with other team's star players because they will have the ball in their hands dictating every single offensive possession the final few minutes of a game.
We do not scheme to do this with Zion, why?
You think you'll ever see dudes like Luka, SGA, Trae, Jokic not touch the ball and dictate darn near every possession the final 3-4 minutes of a close game? Nope. But Zion and our scheme, it consistently happens. Again, why?
Posted on 11/28/23 at 8:40 am to shel311
Totally agree, but it's because he is sucking wind.
Also, Zion needs to be on the floor whenever we are in the bonus. We got into the bonus in the third quarter and then he sat. Sit him for a few minutes in the middle of the damn quarter. Was flabbergasting.
Also, Zion needs to be on the floor whenever we are in the bonus. We got into the bonus in the third quarter and then he sat. Sit him for a few minutes in the middle of the damn quarter. Was flabbergasting.
Posted on 11/28/23 at 8:43 am to shel311
Currently Zion leaves the game at about that time and comes in again the last 3 minutes .
IMO if there is anything to be critical of Willie about it’s this .
However this falls on Zion too. He’s still not in shape . He had thinned out a little but looks heavy again . You can notice it easiest in his face . Also, every team knows what he wants to do and where his shots are going to come from so it’s much easier to take away especially if you are the jazz and can put length in the lane which Zion struggles against.
The guys you mentioned and most stars are capable of scoring at all 3 levels . Zion cannot.
IMO if there is anything to be critical of Willie about it’s this .
However this falls on Zion too. He’s still not in shape . He had thinned out a little but looks heavy again . You can notice it easiest in his face . Also, every team knows what he wants to do and where his shots are going to come from so it’s much easier to take away especially if you are the jazz and can put length in the lane which Zion struggles against.
The guys you mentioned and most stars are capable of scoring at all 3 levels . Zion cannot.
Posted on 11/28/23 at 8:47 am to AboveTheRim
quote:More likely to blame is Zion for his lack of conditioning, like you said.
Currently Zion leaves the game at about that time and comes in again the last 3 minutes .
IMO if there is anything to be critical of Willie about it’s this
He had a game rest advantage on everyone else. Going 12 minutes in the playoffs and playing 36 minutes wasn't too much to ask for, I'd say it should have been expected.
But Zion was so gassed that he had to come out for a breather mid 4th. I believe we went from tied to down 5 those 2 minutes.
Posted on 11/28/23 at 9:52 am to shel311
Pels last 11 possesions of the game:
BI mid
BI mid
BI turnover
Bi 3
BI mid
BI mid
BI mid
Naji mid
Herb 3
Herb 3
BI Mid
I'm noticing 2 scary trends here...
BI mid
BI mid
BI turnover
Bi 3
BI mid
BI mid
BI mid
Naji mid
Herb 3
Herb 3
BI Mid
I'm noticing 2 scary trends here...
Posted on 11/28/23 at 10:33 am to shel311
quote:
BI mid
BI mid
BI turnover
Bi 3
BI mid
BI mid
BI mid
Naji mid
Herb 3
Herb 3
BI Mid
I agree 100% with you here. This is when this team is at its absolute worst. This goes back to my belief that this team wants Ingram to be the alpha. They believe in him. I am not sure if it is Willie, Griff, or both.
Zion had been involved in almost every single end of game possession recently. He was fantastic against the Clippers (This is why I think the conditioning issue is being way overblown).) Against the Kings in game 2, they went to the BI/Zion actions together. Last night there was none of that. They appear to make strides but it goes back to the previous issues. One step forward and two steps backward.
Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:05 am to shel311
quote:
I'm noticing 2 scary trends here...
That we have no spacing. They dared anybody but zion to beat us in crunch time and we couldn't make them pay.
Zion had an incredible offensive game last night with 7ast and 0 turnovers, but should've had closer to 10 assists.
Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:11 am to whatiknowsofar
The 2 trends were BI inefficient middies on 6 of the final 11 possessions, and Zion with a 0% usage rate.
Both of those should never ever ever happen, but seem to happen all too often.
Both of those should never ever ever happen, but seem to happen all too often.
This post was edited on 11/28/23 at 11:12 am
Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:14 am to shel311
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Zion with a 0% usage rate.
Cmon shel. Zion had the ball for the last shot and they put 4 guys in the paint, which is what they did almost all of the 4th q. Zion passed it out and everyone on the perimeter went into "OH shite" mode except for Ingram who took a bad shot that he makes a log.
When Trey and CJ are out there at the end of the game final possessions like last night will look far different.
Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:21 am to whatiknowsofar
quote:I'm talking about about the last 6:26, not the last shot.
Cmon shel. Zion had the ball for the last shot
There is no defensively scheme that can successfully render a good player useless for the final 6 minutes of a game, especially not one from a bottom 5 defensive team.
This is self inflicted.
Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:32 am to shel311
quote:
This is self inflicted.
Yep. The worst thing that happened for us in the 4th was Ingram making a few middles. He went bad Kobe on us
This post was edited on 11/28/23 at 11:33 am
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