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re: What about Bradley Beal...
Posted on 1/10/19 at 11:29 am to NOSHAU
Posted on 1/10/19 at 11:29 am to NOSHAU
With a roster next season (going off cap holds and salary) of:
AD
Jrue
Niko
TT
Porter
Payton
Satoransky
Frank
Okafor
Frazier
Miller
4 mins
We would be about 6-7 million into the tax, assuming we cant bring back Niko cheaper than 19 million.. We could also flip Thompson's expiring into another player or 2, so it would leave us alot of options, and assuming we dont have to use the MLE to bring back Elfrid, we also will have that available to us to use
AD
Jrue
Niko
TT
Porter
Payton
Satoransky
Frank
Okafor
Frazier
Miller
4 mins
We would be about 6-7 million into the tax, assuming we cant bring back Niko cheaper than 19 million.. We could also flip Thompson's expiring into another player or 2, so it would leave us alot of options, and assuming we dont have to use the MLE to bring back Elfrid, we also will have that available to us to use
This post was edited on 1/10/19 at 11:31 am
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Posted on 1/10/19 at 11:33 am to NOSHAU
quote:
Moreso Beal. I think Porter is only a consolation prize and I would not part with an unprotected 1st and Randle for him.
fair enough
randle may not have any trade value anyway...i'd think you'd need him to declare his intentions with his options, and maybe even opt out early
all this could easily be moot, if the wiz want niko or bust
Posted on 1/10/19 at 12:14 pm to Soggymoss
Apology accepted.You should be sorry for saying something so asinine.
Randle is a FAR superior ball handler, shooter, shot creator, post scorer, passer and finishes at the rim better in transition.
And Rebounding is pretty close to a push...but that’s the only thing Thompson does well on one side of the court.
Their roles are nothing alike so no Tristan does not give us “a lot” of what Randle does.
Tristan is as limited on offense as Randle is on defense (when he’s not engaged).
Tristan Thompson is all athleticism. Randle has skill...he’s basically Boogie-lite for this team. No one confuses Thompson for Boogie.
Randle is a FAR superior ball handler, shooter, shot creator, post scorer, passer and finishes at the rim better in transition.
And Rebounding is pretty close to a push...but that’s the only thing Thompson does well on one side of the court.
Their roles are nothing alike so no Tristan does not give us “a lot” of what Randle does.
Tristan is as limited on offense as Randle is on defense (when he’s not engaged).
Tristan Thompson is all athleticism. Randle has skill...he’s basically Boogie-lite for this team. No one confuses Thompson for Boogie.
This post was edited on 1/10/19 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 1/10/19 at 12:48 pm to Soggymoss
Satoransky is the only real PG for Wizz - who are working on his extension.
They wont trade him at that point. Unless for other (younger) ballhandler...
They wont trade him at that point. Unless for other (younger) ballhandler...
Posted on 1/10/19 at 12:58 pm to pawel
quote:
Satoransky is the only real PG for Wizz - who are working on his extension.
if the wiz trade bradley beal for XYZ and picks, they are going to want their own 2019 pick to be as low as possible (ie: they'll tank)
wall will be back next year
not saying they WILL trade sato, but they certainly could if they also trade beal
Posted on 1/10/19 at 1:02 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
2nd in offense
26th in defense
Randle is really helping with his no defense playing.. We wouldnt need a "shite creator, Randles shot creating is bullying his way into the paint, which TT does just as well..
I would rather have a similar player on the offensive end that is far superior on the defensive side with the current makeup of this team..
26th in defense
Randle is really helping with his no defense playing.. We wouldnt need a "shite creator, Randles shot creating is bullying his way into the paint, which TT does just as well..
I would rather have a similar player on the offensive end that is far superior on the defensive side with the current makeup of this team..
Posted on 1/10/19 at 1:31 pm to Soggymoss
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Randles shot creating is bullying his way into the paint, which TT does just as well..
My god...it’s like you don’t watch the NBA.
How often is Tristan bringing up the ball and running the offense? Thompson in no way can drive to the paint off the dribble to the level that Randle can. And he can’t shoot, facilitate or run the PnR like Randle can.
He’s a put back artist and lob finisher. He’s not remotely the same caliber of player Randle is.
Randle is the guy we run the offense through when Davis sits.
Parsons and Tristan Thompson. My god.
You want defense? Dedmon is better value.
The Cavs would be pissing themselves if they could give Thompson away.
It’s fine that you’re Pels fan who’s a little clueless personnel and skill sets of non Pels players, but jeez how about a little research that isn’t just from basketball reference...
Posted on 1/10/19 at 1:36 pm to Soggymoss
quote:What? What Tristan Thompson do you watch? He is nothing like you are making him out to be. He is terribly overpaid only because Lebron dictated to management to pay him. Personally, I would not want him at that price and would take a younger Randle over him straight up.
2nd in offense
26th in defense
Randle is really helping with his no defense playing.. We wouldnt need a " shite creator, Randles shot creating is bullying his way into the paint, which TT does just as well..
I would rather have a similar player on the offensive end that is far superior on the defensive side with the current makeup of this team..
We would be bailing out Washington and Cleveland from unfavorable contracts and giving up an unprotected 1st for the right to do so? Just my opinion, but I would pass.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 1:41 pm to NOSHAU
Seems like if we want Beal, we need to find a team willing to attach a 1st to a bad contract in order for us to get that 2nd 1st that Washington is looking for. Even then, I am not sure we have the players to interest them. Moore may be one and then one of Randle/Niko. What young talent would interest them? Jackson is really the only young talent we have and not sure that moves the needle for the Wizards.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 2:16 pm to NOSHAU
all of what you said is likely true and valid.
we are discussing this as a best case scenario and I sincerely doubt that it is realistic, but we will see I guess. WAS fits the bill as a trade partner for us, but who knows if the pels fit for them
we are discussing this as a best case scenario and I sincerely doubt that it is realistic, but we will see I guess. WAS fits the bill as a trade partner for us, but who knows if the pels fit for them
Posted on 1/10/19 at 2:43 pm to cgrand
There's a lot of smoke around Beal though. We've seen reports of what it takes to start the conversation, that's not typically a detail you see in a situation like AD where they aren't even entertaining trade offers.
So they're listening and I don't think they're likely to get any better offers on him next year. The one fake proposal I've seen that would interest me most if I were Washington was the 3 way with Dallas and the Pels. Pels turn Randle and sweetener into DSJ. Pels trade DSJ, Frank Jackson filler and picks for Beal.
If you're the Wiz that lets you dump Wall and Porter and start over with your future back court already in place, a bunch of picks, and maybe you can add a prospect or 2 in the Wall/Porter dumps. The one problem with this kind of move is it seems like the kind of serious tear down that current management wouldn't survive so...
So they're listening and I don't think they're likely to get any better offers on him next year. The one fake proposal I've seen that would interest me most if I were Washington was the 3 way with Dallas and the Pels. Pels turn Randle and sweetener into DSJ. Pels trade DSJ, Frank Jackson filler and picks for Beal.
If you're the Wiz that lets you dump Wall and Porter and start over with your future back court already in place, a bunch of picks, and maybe you can add a prospect or 2 in the Wall/Porter dumps. The one problem with this kind of move is it seems like the kind of serious tear down that current management wouldn't survive so...
Posted on 1/10/19 at 2:52 pm to TigerinATL
I will say, it still seems very crazy to me that either upper management at the Wizards office is so bad that they are looking to unload guys they once believed in before they ever brought in a second new coach, or so naive that they believe Scott Brooks has maxed the potential and therefore it's time to tear it down.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 3:20 pm to Bronc
I don’t think it’s that they don’t believe in Beal anymore. They just know they suck and it behooves them to just blow it up. Hell, the Wiz could be dragging their feet just on the hope that by the time we land Beal, we’d be playing catch up and our pick lands in the lottery.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 3:24 pm to TigerinATL
quote:
f you're the Wiz that lets you dump Wall and Porter and start over with your future back court already in place, a bunch of picks, and maybe you can add a prospect or 2 in the Wall/Porter dumps.
how are you going to move wall though? and where?
or porter for that matter?
pels are a special case...frantic to keep a once in a lifetime player. who else?
Posted on 1/10/19 at 3:44 pm to cgrand
quote:
how are you going to move wall though? and where?
Yep, the Wall injury fricked them. They might have been able to move a healthy Wall to a desperate team this year before his supermaz kicks in. But now that the oft injured Wall is shelved with surgery to fix a recurring foot issue, there is no way they can move him.
I actually think Wall intentionally elected to undergo the surgery now so that he would not be traded and the Wiz would have to build around him while trading away Beal/Porter.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 3:53 pm to cgrand
quote:
how are you going to move wall though? and where?
The only team I ever saw with semi-serious alleged interest was Phoenix. But you only need one. A PG has been atop their wish list and they've been very aggressive in FA in the past going after Aldridge and Blake Griffin. If their rumored interest in Wall was legit they'd have the cap space to do a move like Josh Jackson and Ryan Anderson for Wall.
This post was edited on 1/10/19 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 1/10/19 at 3:56 pm to ShamelessPel
quote:
I don’t think it’s that they don’t believe in Beal anymore. They just know they suck and it behooves them to just blow it up. Hell, the Wiz could be dragging their feet just on the hope that by the time we land Beal, we’d be playing catch up and our pick lands in the lottery.
Thats my point though, most organizations first try another coach before selling off allstar talent.
The Wiz seem like they are just skipping that part of the process(not that I'm complaining, it could hopefully be our win).I know Brooks was himself a replacement but Brooks also isn't the most highly regarded coach in the sense that if he fails that must mean the roster, not the coach, is the problem.
Just surprised to see them going this route and not, say, The Wolves or Bucks route first.
This post was edited on 1/10/19 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 1/10/19 at 4:19 pm to Bronc
It's also reportedly become pretty toxic. Both Beal and Wall have been attached to rumors that they aren't happy being on the current team and more rumors suggest that Oubre was moved for locker room reasons. It's just a dysfunctional mess with too low of a floor to be a tax team. The tax will get even harder to avoid when Wall's new contract kicks in.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 4:22 pm to TigerinATL
Yeah I think Wall's contract is the real issue. It's going to be near impossible to be a non-tax team with his giant cap figure. We've already seen for multiple years that this roster isn't a contender. Now that Wall is hurt, moving him will be next to impossible. Unless you want to start paying a repeater tax, you pretty much have to move Beal at some point.
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