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re: What does CP3 do? Play, pought, or litigate?
Posted on 12/12/11 at 2:45 pm to TigerinATL
Posted on 12/12/11 at 2:45 pm to TigerinATL
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On what grounds?
My thought to. And the CBA gives Stearn pretty wide reaching authority. But I can't help but think that if players can prove/weed out the actual reason the trade was rejected, that it probably won't be in line with CBA guidelines.
Make them tell you what "basketball reasons" are?
Gilberts email seemed to indicate that luxury tax and parity were the reasons for their objections. Is that a grounds for rejection according to CBA guidelines?
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Posted on 12/12/11 at 2:45 pm to TigerinATL
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On what grounds? The purpose of the CBA is to keep the courts out of the League's business. He can file a complaint with the union, but the Hornets have no obligation to trade him, he's under contract.
I have been saying this until I'm blue in the face and people keep bringing it up like it's an actual option. The Lakers and Rockets could consider action, but I get the feeling the Lakers don't want to get caught with their hand in the cookie jar. There seemed to be some serious tampering going on.
Posted on 12/12/11 at 2:46 pm to SuperDomed
All I hope for is that he sits. Wouldn't want us winning some games this year and really screwing ourselves
Posted on 12/12/11 at 2:47 pm to Elleshoe
Sources are saying that they were not including both.
IF that is the case, he made the right call.
IF that is the case, he made the right call.
Posted on 12/12/11 at 2:47 pm to LSUfan007700
I guess NOLA can now stand for NO LA to CP3
Posted on 12/12/11 at 2:48 pm to Jester
Chris Paul is under contract and completely screwed. The owners know he is screwed and so does Chris. CP and his advisors shot themselves in the head by alienating themselves from the New Orleans fans and his agent/advisors are being punished by the owners to send a very stern message. If Chris Paul had any freaking brains at all he would fire his current management team and sign up immediately with a management team that isn't so vitriolic to the owners of the NBA.
Posted on 12/12/11 at 2:49 pm to Elleshoe
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we don't know what the trade included now do we? If they nixed it because both of those things weren't there then yeah, probably a good move. If the rumor is true that Stern wanted them to include Bledsoe and another first then he's a fricking moron.
I saw far more sources indicating the LAC were saying either/or than I did that Stern was demanding a pound of flesh. From what I've seen, signs point to the Clippers trying to lowball the deal and getting turned down. The problem is that the media is obsessed with getting CP3 to LA, so they are going to keep pushing the stories that make it seem like Stern is just cockblocking.
Posted on 12/12/11 at 2:52 pm to Jester
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I saw far more sources indicating the LAC were saying either/or than I did that Stern was demanding a pound of flesh.
Well, that's exactly what he did with the reworked Hou/LA deal. Martin, Scola, Lowry and 2 1st was his "counter offer".
It's not unreasonable to think he's doing the same thing this time.
This post was edited on 12/12/11 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 12/12/11 at 2:52 pm to MrLSU
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Chris Paul is under contract and completely screwed. The owners know he is screwed and so does Chris. CP and his advisors shot themselves in the head by alienating themselves from the New Orleans fans and his agent/advisors are being punished by the owners to send a very stern message. If Chris Paul had any freaking brains at all he would fire his current management team and sign up immediately with a management team that isn't so vitriolic to the owners of the NBA.
I do agree with this. CP3 got on the WWW and CAA bandwagon by his own volition. They are the ones that started undermining the Hornets last season. CP3 made his biggest mistake when he started whining and bitching after the trade wasn't approved by THE TEAM OWNERS. He got overly emotional and finally showed his hand.
Posted on 12/12/11 at 2:54 pm to Jester
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CP3 made his biggest mistake when he started whining and bitching after the trade wasn't approved by THE TEAM OWNERS. He got overly emotional and finally showed his hand.
I thought it was CP2 who did that and that CP3 kept his mouth shut.
Posted on 12/12/11 at 2:55 pm to MSMHater
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Well, that's exactly what he did with the reworked Hou/LA deal. Martin, Scola, Lowry and 2 1st was his "counter offer".
It's not unreasonable to think he's doing the same thing this time.
It's called bargaining chief. It happens in every trade. How many GMs in the NBA have the sole authority to sign off on trades?
The bottom line is, neither Houston/LAL deal was exactly good for the Hornets. We would have ended up taking on longterm payroll, and the 2 firsts would have been in the bottom 3rd of the round. That almost certainly has less value than a single lottery pick.
Posted on 12/12/11 at 2:59 pm to Jester
WWW and CAA are blamed for the lockout. If Denver tried to trade MELO today to the Knicks they would veto that trade too. This is about demolishing WWW and CAA and quite frankly if I'm the owners I agree with their harsh penalty here. You can't have players sign contracts only to breach them because they don't like where they are playing.
The bottom line is that the only person to blame here is Chris Paul because he made bad management decisions that have tarnished his reputation nationally (despite what the inner circle says he is losing the PR war here nationally) and its also going to cost him $24 million when he doesn't resign with the Hornets and enters the FA market.
The bottom line is that the only person to blame here is Chris Paul because he made bad management decisions that have tarnished his reputation nationally (despite what the inner circle says he is losing the PR war here nationally) and its also going to cost him $24 million when he doesn't resign with the Hornets and enters the FA market.
Posted on 12/12/11 at 3:00 pm to Jester
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It's called bargaining chief. It happens in every trade.
Yea, I've heard this excuse. There is a point where "bargaining" becomes "sabatoge" when you know your terms to be unrealistic. Parties self destruct negotiations all the time. That's all that offer was.
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The bottom line is, neither Houston/LAL deal was exactly good for the Hornets. We would have ended up taking on longterm payroll, and the 2 firsts would have been in the bottom 3rd of the round. That almost certainly has less value than a single lottery pick.
Maybe you're right. We'll reassess after we see what you do get for him...if anything. With regard to fielding a decent team this year, that trade was the best shot you had, IMO. Thus would have been the right "basketball descision", unless you're strategically tanking.
But I will concede that not taking all that salary is a good "financial decision" (i.e. selling a team).
This post was edited on 12/12/11 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 12/12/11 at 3:04 pm to MSMHater
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With regard to fielding a decent team this year, that trade was the best shot you had, IMO. Thus would have been the right "basketball descision".
No one can factually support or deny this claim. It may very well be better for the franchise to dare him to walk. I'm not omniscient, so I'm not going to say one is better than the other, but I'm not sold that calling his bluff is a bad move.
Posted on 12/12/11 at 3:07 pm to MSMHater
If I was him, I'd sue, hold out and let the Hornets get the worst record in the league
Posted on 12/12/11 at 3:09 pm to Jester
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No one can factually support or deny this claim. It may very well be better for the franchise to dare him to walk. I'm not omniscient, so I'm not going to say one is better than the other, but I'm not sold that calling his bluff is a bad move.
If they sue Stern and open up the negotiations between the Hornets, Lakers, Rockets, Clippers, and NBA front office to outside perusal, it's probably easier to factually support that claim.
At the least, there will be records of what was officially submitted to the league for each of the three trades and likely some internal NBA HQ communication on evaluating each trade.
Posted on 12/12/11 at 3:10 pm to purplepylon
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If I was him, I'd sue, hold out and let the Hornets get the worst record in the league
So you would get counter sued, loose a year of income, get suspended/potentionally banned and get labeled as a malcontent that no other team will want to deal with... Gotcha, solid plan..
Posted on 12/12/11 at 3:16 pm to brmark70816
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So you would get counter sued, loose a year of income, get suspended/potentionally banned and get labeled as a malcontent that no other team will want to deal with... Gotcha, solid plan..
Counter-sued - No merit
Lose year of income - He would have anyway if there was a lockout
Suspended/banned - Not legal
Malcontent - He's already labeled as one
Posted on 12/12/11 at 3:46 pm to purplepylon
I'd sit. The Hornets are far from a contender of anything if he plays. He has terrible knees to begin with. Him sitting out draws more attention to this whole fail of a situation by the league giving them even worse publicity than they've already had about this whole ordeal and the lockout.
If Demps resigns, Monty resigns, Paul sits, and fans don't go to the games, it's going to reflect more poorly on the league rather than the city of New Orleans.
If Demps resigns, Monty resigns, Paul sits, and fans don't go to the games, it's going to reflect more poorly on the league rather than the city of New Orleans.
Posted on 12/12/11 at 3:54 pm to kadillak
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Him sitting out draws more attention to this whole fail of a situation by the league giving them even worse publicity than they've already had about this whole ordeal and the lockout.
Him sitting out only makes him look like more of a dick, though. If he was innocent in this whole mess, that might work, but he CAUSED this whole mess.
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