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Posted on 10/27/21 at 11:34 pm to TackySweater
Same as the one’s over NAW tonight: BI, JV, DG
Zion comes back Lonzo becomes your fifth option, maybe fourth on nights he’s hot and DG’s not…maybe sixth when NAW has a hot night
But to your argument, tonight, you replace NAW’s abysmal 35% shooting on the season( 21% tonight) with Lonzo’s 46% and 43%, and better D, you still want to tell me we can’t win this game?
Literally if you take NAW’s 14 shots and assume Lonzo’s efficiency, score is roughly 112-102 Pelicans….like I said, we likely win this one by 10.
Zion comes back Lonzo becomes your fifth option, maybe fourth on nights he’s hot and DG’s not…maybe sixth when NAW has a hot night
But to your argument, tonight, you replace NAW’s abysmal 35% shooting on the season( 21% tonight) with Lonzo’s 46% and 43%, and better D, you still want to tell me we can’t win this game?
Literally if you take NAW’s 14 shots and assume Lonzo’s efficiency, score is roughly 112-102 Pelicans….like I said, we likely win this one by 10.
This post was edited on 10/27/21 at 11:36 pm
Posted on 10/27/21 at 11:40 pm to Bronc
So we ignoring Lonzos past seasons 3pt% of roughly 36% and going off his 4 games this season? Lol
Posted on 10/27/21 at 11:41 pm to TackySweater
If Lonzo is still here with his D from last year and shooting 42% and 38% with 6 assists, with NAW as sixth man, we also win this game.
What’s your next reactive excuse?
What’s your next reactive excuse?
This post was edited on 10/27/21 at 11:43 pm
Posted on 10/27/21 at 11:48 pm to Bronc
Lonzo is on a much better offense that’s way more efficient and he’s got three great scorers ahead of him. He’s not asked or needed to do much. It’s light years difference from if he was on this team and the ask of him would be totally different if he was here, whether that be from the team or mentally from himself.
You’re calling out naw for playing horribly, rightfully so, but I don’t see his play drastically changing if he comes off the bench.
Lonzo is a career 35% 3pt shooter. He won’t keep up
his 46/43 through the entire season. It’s been 4 games.
You’re calling out naw for playing horribly, rightfully so, but I don’t see his play drastically changing if he comes off the bench.
Lonzo is a career 35% 3pt shooter. He won’t keep up
his 46/43 through the entire season. It’s been 4 games.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 12:02 pm to Bronc
In this scenario, are the pelicans paying him 85 million to be the fourth or fifth option? Lonzo starting with NAW coming off the bench sounds great except Lonzo wanted to be paid like a second or third option.
For one game, Lonzo's spot-up shooting could have helped us win the game last night. However, the cost of retaining him was not worth it then and still isn't.
For one game, Lonzo's spot-up shooting could have helped us win the game last night. However, the cost of retaining him was not worth it then and still isn't.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 12:10 pm to DaTruth225
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In this scenario, are the pelicans paying him 85 million to be the fourth or fifth option? Lonzo starting with NAW coming off the bench sounds great except Lonzo wanted to be paid like a second or third option.
For one game, Lonzo's spot-up shooting could have helped us win the game last night. However, the cost of retaining him was not worth it then and still isn't.
You realize in that trade we are now paying Satoransky 10 million and Temple 5 million correct?
Lonzo makes 19.7 million this year.
If squeezing in that extra 5 million is going to bankrupt Ms. Benson, we should start drafting up the sale papers now.
Right now the Bulls are one of only three teams still undefeated. With Lonzo playing the fourth or fifth option.
Again, Lonzo doesn't need to be your forever, but the wiser course of action in hindsight was clearly to retain the asset(and he is an asset), until that more perfect fit does come along.
This post was edited on 10/28/21 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 10/28/21 at 12:34 pm to six4lsu
Ahh yes the old "Lonzo would save us" because he never went 0-7 or 0-12 on 3pt ever. I agree let's give up on NAW 6 games into the season when Zion is out and the defense can lock down on just about anyone. Brilliant. Let's just trade NAW for pennies and roll with Naji, Kira, and Temple.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 12:36 pm to Bronc
You are assuming Lonzo wanted to be here, liked his role, and would be cool with staying. I'm pretty sure none of those things are true so this is dumb.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 12:38 pm to Dantheman504
I dont understand why everyone has to frame things adversarially and as an either/or?
You trade for Graham, match Lonzo, bring NAW off the bench. Would have been the more ideal offseason of things we could have controlled.
If a better opportunity for a better player presents itself, or NAW finally takes a real leap and builds consistency, you move Lonzo. Simple.
You trade for Graham, match Lonzo, bring NAW off the bench. Would have been the more ideal offseason of things we could have controlled.
If a better opportunity for a better player presents itself, or NAW finally takes a real leap and builds consistency, you move Lonzo. Simple.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 12:40 pm to Dantheman504
Lonzo started pushing out extremely early. An RFA is not supposed to have that kind of leverage, it's just not how the system is built.
That means either both sides were so far apart on money that Klutch saw no point in making an effort to stay, which seems crazy considering his QO was $14-$15 and he ended up getting $20. OR the things you mentioned were the problem so he hired Klutch to GTFO.
That means either both sides were so far apart on money that Klutch saw no point in making an effort to stay, which seems crazy considering his QO was $14-$15 and he ended up getting $20. OR the things you mentioned were the problem so he hired Klutch to GTFO.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 12:54 pm to TigerinATL
Lonzo asked for around 20 last offseason and we told him no, he and his camp continued to make overtures that he liked playing for New Orleans and would want to keep playing here, implying if the money is right.
We also controlled his destination at the end of the day.
Fact is, once again, Griff misjudged the market, the talent he had, and the depth.
Gun to my head Griff is an egomaniac and wanted to prove how smart he was by pushing "his guys(Kira, NAW, Hayes, Didi)" to the front with the expectation they would flourish and he could look like the smartest guy int he room, but so far most of them haven't, and we let talent go out the door we shouldn't because of it.
We also controlled his destination at the end of the day.
Fact is, once again, Griff misjudged the market, the talent he had, and the depth.
Gun to my head Griff is an egomaniac and wanted to prove how smart he was by pushing "his guys(Kira, NAW, Hayes, Didi)" to the front with the expectation they would flourish and he could look like the smartest guy int he room, but so far most of them haven't, and we let talent go out the door we shouldn't because of it.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 12:56 pm to six4lsu
It seems like this board has built naw up into something he isn't.
I just don't think he is a starter on a good team and i never got how some wanted him to start at point.
I just don't think he is a starter on a good team and i never got how some wanted him to start at point.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 2:11 pm to Bronc
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You realize in that trade we are now paying Satoransky 10 million and Temple 5 million correct?
Those contracts are very tradeable and will more than likely be included in a mid-season trade. Teams looking to sell at the trade deadline desire these type of contracts. These contracts have as much or more trade value than Lonzo's 85 million dollar contract.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 2:12 pm to DaTruth225
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Will Guillory @WillGuillory 34m
NAW on the wild shots Devonte' Graham has been making lately:
"Let me get some of that. Whatever he's doing, I need some of that. I can't throw a rock in the ocean right now."
Posted on 10/28/21 at 2:41 pm to TigerinATL
Just jumping in to say that I am LOVING Devonte at half the cost of Zo.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 3:56 pm to Bronc
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Lonzo can defend
Yeah he can defend a small guard in the post, but as soon as any sort of screen comes he's lost. He has a better shooting percentage after 4 games, yes, but that's not the end all be all.
NAW actually demands people collapse on him when he drives because he can finish and hit FT. Lonzo took 1 FT a game and any time he drove, it was a pass. He has negative ability to finish at the rim, can't run an offense, and pouts when he doesn't get his way.
Last night after Willie benched NAW to close the game out, he put his sweats on and was right there on the court cheering his teammates on and dapping them up. That's the stuff you need to build chemsitry and Lonzo just didn't do that.
You also seem to forget that we have 27 points at 70% on the bench right now who draws, at a minimum, a double team every time he gets near the basket. You give NAW open looks out of those backdowns and don't have him shoot contested 25 footers and you're in business.
Just imagine the gravity NAW pulls on a drive into the paint where the defender has to make a decision to either come off zion down low or let NAW blow by a smaller guard. That's why he's soooo much more valuable to this team than Lonzo.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 4:05 pm to PP7 for heisman
Again, why are people attempting to make this NAW vs Lonzo?
The critique toward Griff is that we should have retained Lonzo AND NAW. But people seem to have this weird mental block to turn something into a binary player vs player death match.
It is clear NAW is not ready for primetime, and even if he was, then you have a sixth man of the year to go with a solid starting unit of Graham and Lonzo.
...Also the thing about Lonzo not caring about his teammates is utter bullshite. BI, Zion, Hart, and basically everyone came out publicly saying how much they wanted him back. Basically a straight "dont do this bullshite Griff" plea.
The critique toward Griff is that we should have retained Lonzo AND NAW. But people seem to have this weird mental block to turn something into a binary player vs player death match.
It is clear NAW is not ready for primetime, and even if he was, then you have a sixth man of the year to go with a solid starting unit of Graham and Lonzo.
...Also the thing about Lonzo not caring about his teammates is utter bullshite. BI, Zion, Hart, and basically everyone came out publicly saying how much they wanted him back. Basically a straight "dont do this bullshite Griff" plea.
This post was edited on 10/28/21 at 4:06 pm
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