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re: Can Shough be the heir apparent to Derek Carr? Mel Kiper’s 2025 Saints draft grade
Posted on 12/23/25 at 4:23 pm to Alatgr
Posted on 12/23/25 at 4:23 pm to Alatgr
quote:Eh, Kiper gets it right as much as any of the other draft analysts. He just doesn't hedge as much as most - if he likes a player it becomes "my guy" and he never lets up.
More in a long list of examples that Kiper sucks arse at his job. I don’t know why anyone pays any attention to him.
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Posted on 12/23/25 at 4:29 pm to Handsome Pete
You can find who predicted best list. Still looking for Mel.
Posted on 12/23/25 at 7:42 pm to goatmilker
This is a prime example of why I quit listening to Kyper years ago. Todd Mc Shay, Daniel Jeremiah. And Bucky Brooks are tge best Draft podcast now!
Todd McShay had Shough on for an interview during last year's NFL combine right after he threw during QB
drills
Todd McShay had Shough on for an interview during last year's NFL combine right after he threw during QB
drills
Posted on 12/23/25 at 9:12 pm to thenza
Has anyone ever attempted to hire Mel Kiper as a GM? I’ve never understood his status.. closer to home I’ve never understood Detilliers either.
Posted on 12/24/25 at 10:02 pm to Flavius Belisarius
Kiper is and has been the biggest idiot of all those draft "expert" idiots. Dude is a fan that does not know the game like someone who has actually been in it does.
He goes off of hope and word of mouth (which around draft time is filled with lies to throw people off) more than anything the player has actually done.
Iirc, he killed us for Michael Thomas (who yes had injuries and went off the deep end, but that's not why he hated Thomas) and that immediately proved to be an idiotic take. I mean I can point to most of our picks and he practically hates the vast majority every year.
Not to mention he is paid to push certain players by certain agents (same as many of these "experts"), so all the more reason not to pay attention to their propaganda bs.
There are so very few actually knowledgeable AND unbiased people that do draft stuff these days. Most are idiots that don't really know the game, on the take, or both.
He goes off of hope and word of mouth (which around draft time is filled with lies to throw people off) more than anything the player has actually done.
Iirc, he killed us for Michael Thomas (who yes had injuries and went off the deep end, but that's not why he hated Thomas) and that immediately proved to be an idiotic take. I mean I can point to most of our picks and he practically hates the vast majority every year.
Not to mention he is paid to push certain players by certain agents (same as many of these "experts"), so all the more reason not to pay attention to their propaganda bs.
There are so very few actually knowledgeable AND unbiased people that do draft stuff these days. Most are idiots that don't really know the game, on the take, or both.
Posted on 12/24/25 at 10:03 pm to Handsome Pete
quote:No he doesn't. They have people that track these guys and he actually is quite literally around the bottom.
Kiper gets it right as much as any of the other draft analysts
Posted on 12/24/25 at 10:07 pm to lacajun069
quote:These guys aren't so bad, but man Mayock before he became a GM was so fricking money on his takes. I was sad to see him leave because he was one of the few who was actually extremely knowledgeable and not taking money from the agents to push certain players (which you could tell by the way he harped on many guys not on most "experts" radar and the fact that there wasn't any common agents threads amongst the players he talked about).
McShay, Jeremiah, Brooks
This post was edited on 12/24/25 at 10:08 pm
Posted on 12/24/25 at 10:26 pm to Flavius Belisarius
The big miss that stands out the most more than Shuck. Is his take on Sanker.
Jonas is the type of safety if you surround him with good talent so he can roam and do his assignments… he is a beast.
Jonas is the type of safety if you surround him with good talent so he can roam and do his assignments… he is a beast.
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